Is Picard really out of character in the Next Gen films?
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Given that we know a young Picard was a bit of a hotheaded rebel, how he acts in the movies, after dealing with the trauma of his remaining family dying, and the resurgence of the Borg, doesn't entirely surprise me.
Even in real life, I've seen people in their 50s and 60s, who up to that point were more reserved and thoughtful, revert to the more active and careless lifestyles of their youth. Humans are funny like that.
Even in real life, I've seen people in their 50s and 60s, who up to that point were more reserved and thoughtful, revert to the more active and careless lifestyles of their youth. Humans are funny like that.
I don't have an answer to the original question. I wonder whether the character is just in flux. You see seven years of Picard on the show. Then nine years of him in the films. Then you see the Picard version several decades later. Could you draw a line of change between the TV version to the Picard version and have the film version be a centre point and it makes sense?
I haven't watched enough TOS to know but is the TOS version of Kirk the same as the film version of him?
I haven't watched enough TOS to know but is the TOS version of Kirk the same as the film version of him?
Well they started adding a few new aspects in the films - like long term wistful regrets, a bit more of a stubborn streak, and what was probably an underwritten angry side in Undiscovered Country... where Kirk can come across as quite unlikeable at times (as Target Audience felt, during their recent reaction video on youtube)
Kirk in the series could veer a bit depending on the writer, but definitely felt more light hearted a lot of the time - unless the script required otherwise. And indeed, there were quite a few frankly traumatic outings for him.
He was also a lot more by the book - at least, until the real crunches came. With an implied stint as a bookworm at the academy.
Kirk is not quite the same but he feels like there is a through line. He is grumpy and dissatisfied but also feels disconnected. He breaks the rules for a very specific purpose; whether you agree or not, it's driven by his sense of right.
Picard breaks the rules because...the story requires it. He becomes far less speech driven and more action driven, taking things to a an extreme.
I don't agree with all the Kirk changes, especially in TMP, but they at least try to navigate that he is either struggling, and called out his friends, or making a calculated choice.
I think we can blame Borg-induced irumodic syndrome for Picard's movie personality and leave it at that. Curiously enough, Picard's most extreme character shifts coincidentally occur in productions where Patrick Stewart has most control over the story and script... (Insurrection, Picard Season 1, etc.)
In some ways, yes. He was no longer the preachy and pretentious bore that he was in the series and Patrick Stewart's growing desire to have Picard do more "screwing and shooting" as he told Ron Moore during TNG led to the ridiculous "action hero" portrayal.
Overall, it seems Stewart got it in his head that he needed to be more like Kirk in the films and this, along with truly awful writing, producing, and actor influence ultimately made the TNG films pale caricatures of the series they allegedly continue.
Overall, it seems Stewart got it in his head that he needed to be more like Kirk in the films and this, along with truly awful writing, producing, and actor influence ultimately made the TNG films pale caricatures of the series they allegedly continue.
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