This has been my life experience as well.
The occasions in my life where I was with future era technology have been exceedingly rare. Practically zero, in fact.
How do you feel about "Relics"?
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This has been my life experience as well.
The occasions in my life where I was with future era technology have been exceedingly rare. Practically zero, in fact.
Presumably because you haven't been trapped in a transporter for 75 years.
In trek future technology certainly comes along. Daniels' quarters on the NX01, Ramussens pod on the -D, Braxton's ship on Voyager, the Tox Uthat on Risa
I can't think of any examples where the contemporary crew of the day didn't have issues with the future technology
They put the whole USS Bozeman back into service after it comes out of the Cause & Effect loop it was in for even longer than Scotty was tucked away. We know nothing of what the process was for that, but they managed it.
Good point.
Yup. She's referred to a few times in the movies, like fighting the Borg in 1st contact, & altering course after the Amargosa star explodes in Generations. She's out there, presumably with Bateson still in command & why not? It was a nearly unused ship & crew
It's not necessarily the same ship. But then again it's not necessarily not the same ship. 23rd century starships tend to do surprisingly well after time-jumping to the future.
Yes, indeed. It's quite frustrating that this is the way things must be boxed in for storytelling purposes.
If you don't want to play with the toys you're in the wrong toy box.
I don't think that's it at all. I think there is a place for expanding the visuals.
Relics was fine, just like Trials and Tribble'ations, but as others have noted it treated Scotty poorly, and insisted that there is only one way to look at the TOS era, which is backwards to me.
Mileage will vary.
True. It is however the only known Bozeman in the canon, that I can recall, & it definitely did show up practically new to the 24th century, & it would seem ill-advised to have it be in that era in possession of the same name as another vessel. I doubt they'd mothball it or give it a different name, & I feel like the intention behind those later mentions was to imply it was that ship. With all that, I'm convinced enough to say it's them.
That said, if it is them, then the learning curve might not have been as bad for them, given they're already familiar with the vessel. They'd probably upgrade weapons & shields & whatnot, but a lot of their expertise would still be applicable. Not as much for Scotty maybe
In my case, even simply being in the same room as said transporter would qualify
You can look at an era any way you want, but the past tends to stay as you left it.
Relics does something extremely rare for Star Trek, as it goes to three different ships from three different eras, making use of established production design to let you know instantly what era a set belongs to. The TOS set being nostalgic to the viewer serves the storytelling, as Scotty's visiting it because he's feeling wistful about his past. Changing it would've only made the episode worse, for no good reason. Unless the TOS bridge looks too retro for you to take seriously and it harms your enjoyment of the episode.
It was probably meant to be the same ship, but we don't know. Maybe there was already a 24th century Bozeman around, maybe the Bozeman crew were given a new ship with the same name.
How?
I don't understand the harm done. The story and the characters are the same. Their emotions are the same. You've altered the drapes. That's it.
In the real world, yes.
Star Trek is an artistic expression of a future of our humanity. It isn't like history that I can go, and study, and review archeological evidence, or study pictures and inscriptions or artifacts.
Relics is an emotional story that frames itself fairly well for the emotions conveyed. But, I can be just as emotional because of the characters. Why do I feel bad for Scotty? Not because of the set but because the emotions, the way Geordi treats him poorly, how out of place he feels. Those emotions land, and resonate because I've felt similarly.
The voice that answers the call to the Bozeman in First Contact sounds uncannily like Kelsey Grammer. I've never heard a confirmation that it was even him recorded from something else.
First contact was years after cause and effect.
It seems unlikely the Soyuz class Bozeman, which hadn’t been in service for over 80 years, would be on missions. Now it’s quite plausible the crew were reallocated, perhaps even to a new ship named Bozeman in homage, but either way they’ve had years to get upto speed.
On set graphics claim that Bateson was in charge of the Bozeman two years after Cause and Effect, which is reasonable. We also know by 2381 Bateson was leading an elite special ops team.
It seems unlikely the Soyuz class Bozeman, which hadn’t been in service for over 80 years, would be on missions. Now it’s quite plausible the crew were reallocated, perhaps even to a new ship named Bozeman in homage, but either way they’ve had years to get upto speed.
On set graphics claim that Bateson was in charge of the Bozeman two years after Cause and Effect, which is reasonable. We also know by 2381 Bateson was leading an elite special ops team.
Well if it doesn't matter if the bridge still looks like it does in TOS, then it's fine to leave it alone!
Pretend I put the work in to find and post a dozen images of reference books in response.
Sure it doesn't prove that it's an actual history, but it does show that thousands of fans want to study it like it is. It's a big part of the appeal for a big part of the audience. You can bet if Scotty was a Star Trek fan in the real world he'd be into it as a fictional history.
Yeah but the visuals are enhancing the story by letting the audience have the same reaction as the character. It works fine without them. It works better with them.
That puts no obligation on the producers.
I have the same reaction regardless.
I would welcome a production to try it and see how the appeal goes to the wider audience.
Yes, but when producers go beyond what they're obligated to do we get episodes like Relics, which makes me feel obligated to praise them for it. In fact if a show keeps making episodes like this it has a chance of being one of my favourites!
More power to you.
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