How Do You Feel About Chakotay?

[catshadowsi8]

I need to clarify my above statement. I am spoiler free for story. I did know the actors hired and one if the main reasons I'm watching (other than being a Star trek fan) is to watch the actor who plays Rios. He did a great job on The Three Musketeers and Salvation so I was thrilled to see his name crop up as a regular and I have not been disappointed.

As for C/7 I don't understand how 7 being intimate with someone else negates the C/7 relationship. They dated and then broke up. I doubt she is going to spill her entire dating history to strangers. A lot has happened since Voyager returned home. He may be deceased for all we know and she moved on.

 

[BillJ]

He may be deceased....

Can a piece of wood die?

 

[flandry84]

I liked the Chakotay character but as has been discussed in this thread the character was very badly neglected by the producers.
It’s frustrating to watch “physical” characters like Chakotay ,Tuvok and to some extent Paris in a very restrained and non-physical show.

 

[Ghislaine H. B. BRAEME]

Except there wasn’t any battle, at least for me. I asked you to provide dialogue or scenes from the episode that gave definitive proof that there was a past romantic relationship between Seven and Bjayzl, because you keep bringing the subject up, and you couldn’t. I’m not interested in what Michael Chabon said or what his intent was. I’m only interested in what the episode showed. And the websites you quote for your evidence are just clickbait sites, so they are far from reliable sources anyway.

Now it might be coming across like I have some sort of problem with LGBQT characters in Star Trek, but I don’t. As a matter of fact, Stamets and Culber are my favorite characters in DSC. The issue is have is when I perceive that someone is trying to push an agenda based on something that isn’t really there. No offense.

First, I can't quote any dialogue or scene as seeing as there is none, specifically. Everything was suggested what allows people to see/read what they want but it seems that I was not alone to think that something happened between these 2 strong characters. I guess that we will have to wait a next episode to know more about the type of relationship - whether it is these both had, through dialogues and scenes, won't we?!.
Second, I may be straight and proud of it, I have no problem with people from the LBGT community and I support them (It takes all sorts to make a world) on series/movies as long as the couple has realistic scenes. (ex: with Supergirl, there is an official lesbian couple - Alex/Kelly - which is ridiculous so much the lack of chemistry is glaring, while on other hand, we have 2 hetero women which could make a great couple so much alchemy is present since the beginning. Same for Voyager with Janeway/7, even if it was never canon). I have the same requirement for straight people, that's why I never believed in Chakotay/Seven who had zero chemisty/alchemy IMHO, contrary to Janeway/Paris or even Janeway/Chakotay, even if I wasn't fan, but which never happened to the disappointment of many fans.I'd say that it is just a question of emotion and accuracy. You have it or not.
We have an expression here "Qui aime bien, chatie bien", which could be translate by "tough love" and between Seven and Bjayzl, it was exactly that, so personal was Seven's reaction of violence.
(caused by hatred or rage). Again, we should know more in a next episode as seeing as Ryan announced that what's happened between them will make the Seven's arc for s1.
Third, no offense taken. .

Coming back to Chakotay, I would be curious to know what's happened for him. but I guess we won't know anything, not until she speaks with the Doctor, I guess. Picard didn't know Chakotay, while the Doctor was present on Voyager and has witnessed
the rapprochement between the two aboard the Voyager before their return to Earth, which he has greatly regret.

 

[RocketQueen]

I don't hate Chakotay with the burning passion of some people, but I guess I never really felt attached to his character either, whereas I always felt really attached to other characters of the Voyager crew. I guess I just don't understand his character that well. He is supposed to be a peaceful man/vegetarian, etc, yet at the same time he joined the Maquis, became one of their leaders even. The Maquis were considered traitors/rebels by the Federation and terrorists by the Cardassians. I think I would have related more to Chakotay as a character if they had delved into that descent from peaceful man into a "terrorist" more and showed him struggling to regain some of that peaceful nature on board Voyager.

I haven't watched Picard yet because I need to watch all the other Star Treks first, but I will definitely not be offended if they never address the Chakotay/Seven thing. Even if I had liked Chakotay more, I would never like that relationship! It was weird. He can just be that mistake from Seven's early return-to-humanity days that she likes to forget ever happened. Who doesn't have an ex like that?

 

[at Quark's]

As a character: indifferent, mostly. There are probably a few instances over Voyager's run in which he grew on me, but I haven't been able to come up with one yet after thinking a minute about this.

Surprised that Tuvok has as many lines as Chakotay. I wonder if Tuvix's lines counted for both Tuvok and Neelix?

Interesting statistic. Given that Kes appears only for three seasons and Seven for four , their 'extrapolated' numbers would be approx. 2863, and 7198, respectively (for whatever such an extrapolation would be worth), getting Kes in about the same league as Neelix (still finishing last) and making 7 the "second" character (between Janeway and Chakotay).

Frankly, I would have expected the EMH to end up higher, since he seemed to have a significant number of episodes dedicated to him. But I suppose characters like Tuvok and Chakotay simply are involved in more scenes, usually being on the bridge and all, even if mostly in "supporting" roles, causing them to stand out less.

 

[cosmic mouse]

Frankly, I would have expected the EMH to end up higher, since he seemed to have a significant number of episodes dedicated to him. But I suppose characters like Tuvok and Chakotay simply are involved in more scenes, usually being on the bridge and all, even if mostly in "supporting" roles, causing them to stand out less.

He's higher if you eliminate s 1-3 and only focus on 4-7... I manually (ugh) counted lines for the back half of the series (after 7 was added) because of so many people griping that she took the show over.
Janeway was still far and away the leader, about twice as many as 7, who was just barely ahead of the EMH.

 

[cosmic mouse]

...but it still doesn't erase her romance with Chakotay.

absolutely. Nothing erases the past. I am one of the rare people that didn't mind the C7 pairing anyway...

eta. BTW I like Rios too... never saw that actor before, but he is good and (other than 7, who is not main cast) I like his character best so far in PIC.

 

[Kilana2]

Who is Chakotay when there is Brian Brophy?

 

[Kor]

At first I found that character of Chakotay intriguing and full of storytelling potential.
But over time he became rather pointless, not to mention that the portrayal was so stiff and uncompelling.

And then there was the typical Hollywood treatment of his cultural background, a depiction that falls apart under the least bit of scrutiny.

Kor

 

[Tribble Threat]

It seems that in the 24th century, everyone is equal except for Native Americans. In episode 1, Paris shouted to Chakotay something like "You're an Indian! Why don't you transform into a bird and fly away"? In a later episode, Chakotay said "I'm the only Indian who can't light a fire with sticks." And the Federation a group of Native North Americans needed to make a colony on the Federation Cardassian border to escape discrimination. And Chakotay's religious beliefs were based on beliefs described in a spiritual self-help book written by a white guy who pretended to be Native to scam people. It's unbelievable.

 

[Lynx]

Despite bad writing here and there, I still like Chakotay. With better writers he could have been the best First Officer ever in Star Trek.

 

[Gordie]

I enjoyed all the main characters from all the shows. The only exception was Kes, and they got rid of her so...I'm cool.

No problem at all with Chakotay.

 

[Orac Zen]

I don't hate the character - that's far too strong a word to apply to a fictional person - but he is the one Voyager character I actually dislike. For mine Chuckles was badly envisaged (a Native American character was a good idea. Pity they went with the Hollywood version), badly written, and portrayed by a mediocre actor with a poor work ethic. It always seemed to me that the other actors, despite the dismal material they were too often saddled with, nonetheless did their best work all the time. Beltran came across as someone who didn't even try, which didn't help an already ordinary character to shine. I've seen more animated and charismatic fence posts than Chuckles.

I never saw the (alleged) Janeway / Chuckles thing - at all - but I'll never understand how anyone who reckons they like the Janeway character can want to see her end up with Chuckles. For a fictional person, she deserves much, much better.

All IMO, of course. To each their own.

 

[Ghislaine H. B. BRAEME]

I don't hate the character - that's far too strong a word to apply to a fictional person - but he is the one Voyager character I actually dislike. For mine Chuckles was badly envisaged (a Native American character was a good idea. Pity they went with the Hollywood version), badly written, and portrayed by a mediocre actor with a poor work ethic. It always seemed to me that the other actors, despite the dismal material they were too often saddled with, nonetheless did their best work all the time. Beltran came across as someone who didn't even try, which didn't help an already ordinary character to shine. I've seen more animated and charismatic fence posts than Chuckles.

I never saw the (alleged) Janeway / Chuckles thing - at all - but I'll never understand how anyone who reckons they like the Janeway character can want to see her end up with Chuckles. For a fictional person, she deserves much, much better.

All IMO, of course. To each their own.

I couldn't have said better. Thank you, Orac Zen!

 

[jmidnight_99]

It seems that in the 24th century, everyone is equal except for Native Americans. In episode 1, Paris shouted to Chakotay something like "You're an Indian! Why don't you transform into a bird and fly away"? In a later episode, Chakotay said "I'm the only Indian who can't light a fire with sticks." And the Federation a group of Native North Americans needed to make a colony on the Federation Cardassian border to escape discrimination. And Chakotay's religious beliefs were based on beliefs described in a spiritual self-help book written by a white guy who pretended to be Native to scam people. It's unbelievable.

What do you mean "everyone is equal"? Do you mean everyone is guaranteed equal opportunity, or everyone is guaranteed equal outcome? I don't think most people are not smart enough to sit on the bridge of a star ship. Some get to do it, the rest don't (think Good Shepherd?). So my challenging question is, who is equal to whom?

If everyone was equal, why do the red shirts always die first?

 

[MrPointy]

Chakotay is... wasted potential. I make fun of him being a piece of wood, but I don't really blame Robert Beltran getting annoyed about his character getting sidelined. Though I wonder if his deliberate wooden acting hurt... his career.

 

[Tribble Threat]

What do you mean "everyone is equal"? Do you mean everyone is guaranteed equal opportunity, or everyone is guaranteed equal outcome? I don't think most people are not smart enough to sit on the bridge of a star ship. Some get to do it, the rest don't (think Good Shepherd?). So my challenging question is, who is equal to whom?

If everyone was equal, why do the red shirts always die first?

I meant that Native Americans are the only humans who have to hear racist comments about themselves, and the only ones who have to flee racial persecution.
I dig the red shirt comment.

 

[jmidnight_99]

Chakotay is... wasted potential. I make fun of him being a piece of wood, but I don't really blame Robert Beltran getting annoyed about his character getting sidelined. Though I wonder if his deliberate wooden acting hurt... his career.

I don't think anything bad thing about the character or the actor. He wasn't "sidelined". According to an article, he has the second most number of lines spoken, behind Janeway.

Chakotay, Tuvok, and Paris all have close to the same number of lines across the series. Chakotay did well when he was in the forefront of whole episodes or scenes. Natural Law, Memorial, Equinox, Scorpion, Timeless, Cathexis, Initiations, Nemesis, Unity, Resolutions, and especially Shattered are all great Chakotay episodes. He has numerous great scenes. He may have been the first officer, but like most of the human characters, he's not going to drive 7 years of rich story lines. He's a supporting character.

Does anyone ever complain about how boring Beverly Crusher was? Or La Forge? Or Troi for that matter? Why is it always Voyager?