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Hope Hicks, Donald & Melania Trump Contract COVID

You're not going to convert me. I'm a 35k/year 99-percenter working stiff, the kind who would benefit greatly from "wealth redistribution". If the possibility of extra money doesn't bring me around, your crack about kool-aid isn't going to either.

My point was that Trump's decision to not wear a mask was perhaps reckless, given his age, but it was calculated.
Trump is a pig in shit. He's not calculating anything
 
You're not going to convert me. I'm a 35k/year 99-percenter working stiff, the kind who would benefit greatly from "wealth redistribution". If the possibility of extra money doesn't bring me around, your crack about kool-aid isn't going to either.

Funny, you focus on the Kool-Aid remark and ignore the facts of what higher tax rates accomplish.

My point was that Trump's decision to not wear a mask was perhaps reckless, given his age, but it was calculated.

It was designed to rile up his base, it is why he continues to refuse even when the science of the situation is clear.
 
My point was that Trump's decision to not wear a mask was perhaps reckless, given his age, but it was calculated.

There was absolutely nothing calculated about his refusal to wear PPE. It's literally recorded, on audio, from his interviews with Bob Woodward. He believed that there was no way he could catch the virus. He used COVID-19 as a political cudgel, nothing more and nothing less.

For everyone thinking that we should have compassion for Trump? Well, we will, eventually. There's just 207,816 American families in front of him in line that need our compassion first.

Had he not willfully sabotaged our efforts to get this thing under control and opposed the science and data from the beginning, I might feel differently.

Had he let our top scientists and virologists do their jobs without interference, I might feel differently.

Had he not actively suppressed vital health data like hospitalizations, forcing hospital data to go through HHS instead of the CDC and muddying our ability to know where outbreaks were occurring, I might feel differently.

Had he not clearly encouraged people not to wear masks, called it a hoax, and recommended medically harmful advice, I might feel differently.

Science is real and ignoring it has real consequences.

You said yourself that you're part of the so-called religious right: "Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap." Galatians 6:7
 
Certainly, science is real. I am not saying Trump's actions were wise. I don't think much of him, in case you didn't notice. I just happen to believe in the same ideology as his supporters: that my money is my money. If I choose to share it, that's generosity. If the government snatches it and forces me to share it, that's theft.

If you're so wild about the 50's, remember also that the government was small, welfare spending was negligible, and single income families were the norm. Good luck bringing all that back.
 
I wish the Trumps and Hope Hicks well and hope they have a speedy recovery.

But...

Trump really was kind of asking for it by often scoffing mask-wearing and social distancing. Even Biden isn't entirely out of the woods. Although he's taken recent tests for COVID that have turned out negative, I think the incubation time means that we won't know for sure he didn't catch it at that silly debate for another week or two.

It's not just the Trumps and Hope Hicks. Now it's Bill Stepien, Kellyanne Conway, Mike Lee, Thom Tillis, John Jenkins, Ronna McDaniel, Ron Johnson and Chris Christie too. And it probably won't end there either.
 
Didn't see this here, apparently we can add Kellyanne Conway to the list of positive cases.

Here's hoping for a long and painful recovery for her and her boss.

I agree with your first sentence, but I feel the likelihood of your second sentence coming true is roughly on par with the odds of me stripping naked, dousing myself in motor oil, and running up and down the halls of my apartment complex screaming "WALLA WALLA WALLA" until either my lungs give out or one of my neighbors clobbers me with a golf club.

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Oh, my friend, the highway system built itself in the 1950s, there was absolutely no taxpayer money used in developing it, the Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1956 never happened.

Didn't you get the memo?
its amazing how much did get done in the 50's. the Interstate system but also all the defence projects. The DEW line alone was an amazing effort. there were multiple undersea habitats (now there's one, only occasionally operated) being tested. Major public works being started as cities modernized, even while populations were fleeing to the suburbs. In comparison it feels like we get nothing done now at all. All thanks to this silly belief that government impedes progress.
 
its amazing how much did get done in the 50's. the Interstate system but also all the defence projects. The DEW line alone was an amazing effort. there were multiple undersea habitats (now there's one, only occasionally operated) being tested. Major public works being started as cities modernized, even while populations were fleeing to the suburbs. In comparison it feels like we get nothing done now at all. All thanks to this silly belief that government impedes progress.

All of the accomplishments that happened in the 1940s, '50s and '60s are truly impressive, and they in no way happened because of "small government." I'm thinking our friend Oddish might have only taken a high school civics class or something of the equivalent, because their understanding of economic and domestic policy borders upon hilariously uninformed.
 
*Sigh*

I never said I was opposed to taxation for the purposes of defense or building infrastructure. That isn't socialism. That's running a country.

And I don't need advanced civics training to know that the welfare state came into being in the 1960's (LBJ's "Great Society"), or that the two-income family was a rarity in the post-WWII years. Or that government has been steadily expanding since the 1930's.
 
And I don't need advanced civics training to know that the welfare state came into being in the 1960's (LBJ's "Great Society"), or that the two-income family was a rarity in the post-WWII years. Or that government has been steadily expanding since the 1930's.

Who gives a flying fuck about a two-income family? Is that an inherently bad thing? Is that somehow wrong? Edit: Are you cognizant of the fact that two-income households are a reality because of wealth disparity and wage stagflation?

You are moving the goalposts so rapidly that Speedy Gonzales is sitting there and saying, "Damn, son."
 
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its amazing how much did get done in the 50's. the Interstate system but also all the defence projects. The DEW line alone was an amazing effort. there were multiple undersea habitats (now there's one, only occasionally operated) being tested. Major public works being started as cities modernized, even while populations were fleeing to the suburbs. In comparison it feels like we get nothing done now at all. All thanks to this silly belief that government impedes progress.

Amazing how much got done even earlier in the 20th century. Chicago went from a pile of ashes to a massive city in a short time, including building out the lakefront by massive amounts (mainly from the aforementioned ashes). Stuff like that and new interstates and whatnot don't get done now due to environmental concerns that are mostly a good thing.
 
Science is real and ignoring it has real consequences.

Blindly following it has consequences with covid as well, which is what I did. If we had listened to the one coworker offering masks over the US surgeon general recommendation not to buy a mask, the entire office would have been masked up and stopping the spread long before the actual science caught up to reality. Myself listening to that and informing them of the guideline hurt us more than the ridiculous idea of using bleach.
 
Who gives a flying #%$@* about a two-income family? Is that an inherently bad thing? Is that somehow wrong?

You are moving the goalposts so rapidly that Speedy Gonzales is sitting there and saying, "Damn, son."

I was stating that the world of the 50's is different from that of today. Indeed, the typical garden variety conservative regards the decade with nostalgia.
 
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