Go away, Denise Crosby.

[GSchnitzer]

I understand. But you also started the "Anyone else think Brent Spiner is annoying?" thread. It looks like you really want to get people to jump in and validate your dislike for one thing or another.

Personally, I find Denise to be a woman of great integrity. But I might have an advantage: I actually know her.

 

[T'Girl]

Then she failed miserably...

I though her performance as Vicky Hotchner in the movie Deep Impact was quite good.

The scene between her and the actor who plays her husband as they're about to be killed is considered by my girlfriends and I to be one of the ten greatest romantic moments in Sci-Fi.

 

[Amaris]

Does anyone else hate that woman? The reason she left was because she got frustrated her character wasnt given more stuff to do, so she left to try and build a film career. Then she failed miserably and then magically Star Trek didnt seem so bad!

I saw her on 'Trekkies' and she was always going on about how great it was to be part of trek and have been in Yesterday Enterprise, which she constantly calls the best episode. I liked YE, but I didnt like it because of Denise Crosby, they could have gotten another actress and it wouldnt have made watched that episode any worse.

Anyone else feel like that, cos I really, really hate her.

I like Ms. Crosby, and have always felt a pang of regret not knowing what it would have been like if she would have stayed on the show. Don't get me wrong, I love Michael Dorn and Worf is an awesome character, one of my favorite TNG characters, in fact, but I really would like to know the outcome of 7 seasons of Tasha Yar as Chief of Security.

That said, I harbor no ill will toward Ms. Crosby and, in fact, wish her all the best in her future endeavors. If by some miracle there is a Trekkies 3, I hope she hosts it as well.

 

[FormerLurker]

Then she failed miserably...

I though her performance as Vicky Hotchner in the movie Deep Impact was quite good.

The scene between her and the actor who plays her husband as they're about to be killed is considered by my girlfriends and I to be one of the ten greatest romantic moments in Sci-Fi.

That would be Nick Cassavetes, son of John Cassavetes and Gena Rowland.

And I wonder if OP hated Denise Crosby's appearance in All Good Things...

 

[AJBryant]

Well, as someone who has worked closely with Denise on our "Blood and Fire" episode, I can tell you she is delightful, selfless, outgoing, and enthusiastic and I consider her a friend. Please be careful about throwing around insulting comments. These are real people who have real friends who frequent these boards--if they don't actually frequent the boards themselves.

She's also cute as a button.

 

[Pemmer Harge]

It's not some sort of betrayal to leave a TV show (especially a not very good one as TNG was at the time). Just because Denise Crosby left the show doesn't mean she can't have affection for Trek and its fans and I personally liked seeing her reappearances in later episodes, especially All Good Things...

 

[Mojochi]

Always wanted to do that.

Wow, that one is way better quality than this one

 

[Nardpuncher]

Then she failed miserably...

Look in the mirror, pal.

That was too far and very rude.

Even if you disagree about what the OP said about Denise Crosby, the chances she'll ever read what the OP said are close to zero.

 

[Pauln6]

Ok so I'll comment on the actual subject:

A female security chief was a great idea but the writers, bless em, felt the need to have her bang on about being a tough yet feminine woman, like that should actually matter. Yar had loads of potential but her thunder was starting to be stolen by Worf who had no occupational niche to fill. Being a woman had less story potential than being a Klingon.

I think it's a shame she left because it badly affected the female dynamic of the show and the writers would eventually have got the hang of writing her character properly as in Yesterday's Enterprise. I would also have liked to see an older Tasha return in Reunification as part of the Resistance and use a different actress for her daughter.

More generally, I think this is a problem of having a large principal cast that appears in every episode. Some characters are better off appearing less frequently in shows that actually involve them and they can grow if they aren't competing with every other character all the time, some of whom will inevitably be more popular.

I think Babylon 5 went too far the other way and under-used some of its supporting cast but something in between would be ideal. Certainly, I'd have been happier if Ro had appeared in twice the number of episodes we eventually got.

 

[Trekker4747]

Does anyone else hate that woman? The reason she left was because she got frustrated her character wasnt given more stuff to do, so she left to try and build a film career. Then she failed miserably and then magically Star Trek didnt seem so bad!

I saw her on 'Trekkies' and she was always going on about how great it was to be part of trek and have been in Yesterday Enterprise, which she constantly calls the best episode. I liked YE, but I didnt like it because of Denise Crosby, they could have gotten another actress and it wouldnt have made watched that episode any worse.

Anyone else feel like that, cos I really, really hate her.

Well, I don't hate her but I do agree that she should've toughed out the problems she had on the show for longer than a partital season instead of getting her panties in a twist little more than half-way through thinking an unknown actress who can't even honor her contract on a TV series for longer than a year is going to make for a viable person to have on your new project.

And, yeah, when the show hit it's stride she has been trying to force her way back in ever since.

 

[JarodRussell]

Then she failed miserably...

Look in the mirror, pal.

That was too far and very rude.

Even if you disagree about what the OP said about Denise Crosby, the chances she'll ever read what the OP said are close to zero.

So it's allowed to bash someone if he/she is never going to read it? That's pretty cool, I guess.

And then someone who hates shouldn't start whining if he gets hated back.

 

[Nardpuncher]

Look in the mirror, pal.

That was too far and very rude.

Even if you disagree about what the OP said about Denise Crosby, the chances she'll ever read what the OP said are close to zero.

So it's allowed to bash someone if he/she is never going to read it? That's pretty cool, I guess.

I do think the OP was using the word "hate" too much, but yeah, you should be able to say stuff here about celebrities and politicians who will never hear anything of it and not be insulted back.

 

[JarodRussell]

I do think the OP was using the word "hate" too much, but yeah, you should be able to say stuff here about celebrities and politicians who will never hear anything of it and not be insulted back.

Why? Because they deserve it? And it's not any less stupid just because they never hear it.

Let me clarify: I'm going now to another message board that you aren't a member of and start a hate thread just about you, Nardpuncher of TrekBBS. Of course it would be more fun if I knew your real name.

 

[Nardpuncher]

We could do the experiment right here!

First you tell me about some celebrity or politician you don't like, then I just come in and call you an idiot and a failure!
You see how it's all fair?

 

[otherjr]

I think it's a shame she left because it badly affected the female dynamic of the show and the writers would eventually have got the hang of writing her character properly as in Yesterday's Enterprise. .

I read on Memory Alpha that (Im a lonely virgin):

'As the first season progressed, the writers struggled with Troi's character, believing her to be one of the hardest to write for. According to actress Marina Sirtis, Troi was almost even dropped from the series after she was unused in four episodes.'

I think they would almost certainly have gotten rid of Troi if not for Crosby leaving the show, I mean if theyd already lost Crusher (for season 2) and Yar, they couldnt very well get rid of all their women. After that TNG never had a really interesting female character and thats why I dont think 'hate' is such a bad word (ok, maybe a little strong...). I dont like that a commitment was made to the show and then broken after one season. Ive read things where Michael Dorn said that he was really frustrated in the first season because his character was so 2D, I think maybe Wil Wheaton wrote about it even. But he stuck with it and eventually got to be the most featured character ever! I mean none of the characters were really that well developed in the first season.

Yeah, I did also start the Brent Spiner thread, but again I dont see the problem. These actors really affected how Trek was made and as such they need to be accountable for the failures as much as the successes. Crosby leaving the show radically altered it, Brent Spiner freaking wrote Star Trek Nemesis to include loads of Data. Im not saying he didnt do a great job with the acting, but I dont get how fans walk around bad mouthing Brannon Braga, and they put Spiner up on a pedestal.

 

[otherjr]

I do think the OP was using the word "hate" too much, but yeah, you should be able to say stuff here about celebrities and politicians who will never hear anything of it and not be insulted back.

Why? Because they deserve it? And it's not any less stupid just because they never hear it.

Let me clarify: I'm going now to another message board that you aren't a member of and start a hate thread just about you, Nardpuncher of TrekBBS. Of course it would be more fun if I knew your real name.

Yes, they do deserve it! They deserve it just as much as me saying Denise Crosby was a good actress, or Brent Spiner did a great job with Data. When youre part of something as big as Star Trek which means so much to so many people, and the actions you took changed the direction that show took, then youre going to be attacked sometimes. When I write this post I need to accept that its going to be seen by a number of people, and that those people are going to judge it.

 

[Solarbaby]

Hate is a strong word. How can you hate someone for a career choice?

No one knew TNG would be a hit. Yar's character wasn't written well at all. Who could blame her for jumping ship, pun intended! If she hadn't left we wouldn't have yesterday's enterprise.

 

[JarodRussell]

When youre part of something as big as Star Trek which means so much to so many people, and the actions you took changed the direction that show took, then youre going to be attacked sometimes.

Dude, they don't owe you anything, and they don't have to justify their actions, and it's just a TV show. If it means so much to you that you hate people for it, then please get a life.

We could do the experiment right here!

First you tell me about some celebrity or politician you don't like, then I just come in and call you an idiot and a failure!
You see how it's all fair?

It's more like: I have to tell you that some celibritiy is an idiot and a failure, and then you come in and also call me an idiot and a failure. Then it's all fair.

 

[Nardpuncher]

Hey waitaminute JarodRussell I was just looking at the thread about Michale Dorn and Jonathan Frakes and Temis the Vorta said Frakes was a fat ass and you wondered if that would get a warning from a mod if it were said about a board member. That's odd.

 

[otherjr]

Hate is a strong word. How can you hate someone for a career choice?

No one knew TNG would be a hit. Yar's character wasn't written well at all. Who could blame her for jumping ship, pun intended! If she hadn't left we wouldn't have yesterday's enterprise.

Ok hate is a strong word, and probably I should not have used it, shes probably nice and all, but I still hate her! I watched TNG all the way through last year (hadnt seen trek before) and everytime she popped up again (after YE) I thought 'Jesus, go away!' Same when watching her in Trekkies go on about how its great to be part of the culture. Yars character wasnt written well, thats fair, but whos character was written well in that first season.

Again, maybe hate is the wrong word, but I can certainly judge someone for a career decision. For example, Patrick Stewart was thinking about leaving after 'The Best of Both Worlds' I think that would have been ok. He stayed on three seasons, he gave the show a chance a let his character develop beyond the shaky first season. If he had quit I wouldnt mind, because he obviously gave it his best shot, he waited to see how things would progress, and he timed the departure so it wouldnt leave everyone in the lurch. Same cant be said of Crosby, and like I said only that, its the continued attempts to get back with Trek after she failed in her film career.