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One reason why we have ended up where we are in this debate is that you simply refuse to accept my opinion when it comes to the destruction of the character Kes.
It's like you are thinking that my opinion and ideas in this case and the way that I've come up with alternative and better solutions to solve the case are totally irrelevant and worthless.
It's also like you are trying to make me back down and accept the character destruction which I simply refuse to do. There are cases in life where I simply won't back down and this is one of them.
I must admit that my comment about "what you think about it is no concern of mine" was an act of frustration. To be honest, I do care about what people think and I accept that people may have another opinion than my own.
If I have insulted you in any way during tis discussion, I apologize for it. It was never my intention.
However, that doesn't mean that I have to bend over and surrender, accepting things which I can't accept. Definitely not!
As I also wrote in a previous post, the destruction of Kes is the worst and must unnecessary in Star Trek but unfortunately not the only one.
it wasn't that long ago when I realized that my restored interest for Trek literature was definitely thwarted when an author whose previous works I'd actually liked destroyed my second favorite after Kes, another example of unnecessary and stupid character destruction which I can't accept and won't accept.
Does that make me a bad person? No!
OK, I realize that some people might dislike me for taking a firm stand when it comes to certain issues, which is sad and not what I want.
But to simply surrender and say "yes" to all things I dislike and oppose would be ten times worse because then I would start to dislike myself.
You have my full support, Lynx. if we give up under the pressure, if we accept the opinion that is force dupon us, then there is no senmse in even discussing things.
I don't have to accept your opinion. I just have to tell you that you are entitled to it. Unless you need some sort of validation that your opinion is correct, which BohandiAnsoid seems to be giving you in spades.
Except I've done no such thing. I have pointed out that you are welcome to think whatever you want about the events of Fury, but that the intent of the writers and how the episode has been treated by the people who are currently in charge of Star Trek differ with your opinion.
As I keep saying, Kes is a fictional character and subject to whatever the writers decided to do with that character. Your personal opinion of what happened to the character, such as believing that Kes was in fact someone else, or being manipulated by some outside force, is not borne out by what we see on screen. But I never said that you couldn't have an opinion about it.
You haven't insulted me at all, because I do not have any vested interest in a fictional character. I just feel the need to point out that I disagree with your opinion about the events of Fury, and that the writers and producers of Star Trek are on my side.
Definitely not.
I never said you were.
That would imply that other people care about the issues you have. Only you can answer that.
If you say so.
Just so you are sure, i donlt agree with everything Lynx says. We have some disagreements, we just mostly keep them in private conversations.
Lynx & Dukhat, DROP IT! Start your own damn PM and piss away there.
Demotion seems more likely.
So why are you contining to question my opinion in this case? You know that I won't change my mind.
As for my theories and suggestions about Kes, why do you find them so offensive?
I'm doing what I can to present an alternative solution, something which a lot of fans of the character actually like and you, who state that you have no interest at all in the character are constantly complaining about it.
As for the comment about "the writers and producers of Star Trek are on my side", now please don't make me start to dislike you as much as I dislike them. They brought back and deliberately ruined a great character after two years of trying to make the fans of the series forget that she ever was in the series at all. That was rude and insulting, it's hard to forgive and forget and I really dislike them for what they did.
"issues?" Hmmm......now you are walking on very thin ice. I would kindly suggest that you end this here and now.
Exactly my intention!
I have stated in a previous post that "the Kes debate" wouldn't be on the TNG forum but someone keeps bringing it up over and over now.
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A moderator told you to drop this.
I'm ready to drop it if you stop too.
Considering it has been thirty years, it might be time to move on. You're wasting your life arguing over a fictional character that will likely never be seen on TV again.
It's not pointless. It's a proof how determined can someone be. It's a training in not giving up under pressure - and this still can be very useful in the modern world. Training in saying, like Quark said, "The line must be drawn here! This far and no further!"
I can see your point.
But on the other hand, aren't we all discussing issues from 30 years back or more here and on the TOS, DS9 and VOY forums.
My point is that except for some recent stupidities in recent Star Trek books, almost all of our characters were allowed to go out as beloved heroues or something like that while this particular character which appens to be one of my all-time favorites will be remembered as a crazy monster, even worse than what we saw of Dukat in his final scenes.
We're talking about the most pointless and worst and most unneccessary character destruction in any TV series.
No, that would be Trip Tucker in TATV.
I quit watching ENT after five episodes so I can't comment on that.
It was both destruction and both unnesesary. Depends which you consider worse: going mad in a Dark Side - like way or going mad by completely forgetting yopur feelings for someone and then commiting an idiotic heroic sacrifice? I cannot decide, honstly.
I, at least, am not ignoring other series. What I said there was about Star Trek. But, even if it's not the worst, it's cerinaly bad.
3 really. The Mind's Eye outed a Romulan spy who likely got killed by his fellow Klingons. The largest complement of their Klingon conspirators were ruined after Redemption & 2000 Romulans were sacrificed at the end of Unification.
You also have to assume that being half human has been a difficulty for her whole life, such that she is so wildly ambitious & hell-bent on destroying Federation alliances, to prove her allegiances. However, when every single attempt fails spectacularly, the admin at home on Romulus would certainly begin wondering if she was secretly tanking them on purpose for her human kinfolk.
Yeah, she's likely dead after that. They probably never bought the whole "Picard sent my mom from the future" story anyhow either, or they'd have a much more serious problem to invest in, geopolitical timeline tampering by the Federation, which no one ever really addresses.
Besides, thjey may be no official new content for Kes, but there is some fanfiction content coming in, and that is enoguht. Even if everyone else would forget about her, I will not, and i will keep writing about this character.
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