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Gizmodo: 30 Years on, TNG's Ghost Sex Episode Remains as Unhinged and Awful as Ever

The only good thing about that story are the youtube reviews of it. Like this one:

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By 1994, I was pretending to be a turtle and tuck myself into scifi made a decade and more earlier, like this one:

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(Or, in this case, a rather wonderful YT channel's reaction of it, and - as with for me - it's been a few thousand years since lots of people had seen S&S, so these reactions are a double-plus... seeing someone's initial reaction as vicarious remembrance, and remembering bits of the story along with their reaction. )

But it's odd when a show, made not in the too-distant past and on one-zillionth of the budget, did a better job at keeping the audience glued to the set?

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The worst thing about "Sub Rosa" is how it makes Data and Geordi dumb. Fog on the bridge of the Enterprise and Data and Geordi come off like the Keystone Cops.

The ghost entity seems like it could have been handled in a more interesting way. Might have made nice world exploring because similar creatures had been seen before including on TOS (Jack the Ripper entity, Masters of War entity).

I don't mind "Masks" and dislike the "Wesley is your Starchild" and "Warp Drive needs a Speed Limit" episodes much more than "Sub Rosa."
 
Sub Rosa may have redeeming qualities*, but all I can ever think about is how Crusher reads her grandmother's very detailed fuck diary before going to sleep and then gets aroused having a sex dream about Grannie's lover. Classic Beverly. ;)
(Having a sex dream is totally fine of course, it's the rest of it that has the ick factor.)
*No idea what they are, but I'm open to the idea that they exist.
 
I haven't seen it since the 90s so I don't have any strong feelings about it, other than I hate the trope when someone falls in love and leaves the ship and then returns in the same episode, same with "Meridian." It's probably bad but I'd still soon watch it than some Season 1 episodes, because even if it's bad other episodes were just boring.
 
The gizmodo article makes some good points, especially about the writers not giving Beverly any agency in what’s happening to her and how barely any of Ronin’s acts can really be seen as romantic. But I admit I always kinda liked “Sub Rosa”, even way back as a kid, as weird as that probably sounds. And even as an adult it’s somewhat of a guilty pleasure for me. The premise is admittedly pretty silly, but I feel Brannon Braga leaned into the pulp romance novel aspect of it all on purpose, which makes it feel like it kinda knows how stupid and schmaltzy it all is. I like the episode for several probably superficial reasons: The setting of the Scottish colony is interesting conceptually, but also visually, as it allows them to play up the gothic horror elements. I enjoyed having a Beverly episode for once, which are few and far between on the show. Plus, I thought Duncan Regehr did the best with the material creating a memorably hammy performance as Ronin, and I see why they brought him back later on Deep Space Nine. It’s also very quotable: “Dinnae light that candle!”
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So yeah, I guess I kinda take my good Trek with my bad Trek.
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I was talking to my wife recently about "Sub Rosa"... mainly because it came up in a list of horror/creepy episodes that TNG did. (Which I feel that TNG did horror and creepy better than any other series in the franchise.) She listed "Sub Rosa" as one that belonged in that list, and I was confused for a minute.

Upon further discussion, I have to agree that, at least in the first part of the episode, the mood and atmosphere is a bit creepy and leans on the horror side, particularly the scenes when Beverly is in her grandma's cabin. While ghost and possession stories are my least favorite subgenre of horror, I have to admit... Frakes directed it well, and McFadden certainly gave it her all.

Of course, we both agreed that the episode completely falls apart, but I can finally add another thing to defend the existence of "Sub Rosa".
 
I mean it's pretty terrible, but it gave me a funny Star Trek "Ghost Fucker" candle from etsy which is more than I can say for "Masks". But yeah I think it's probably the weakest from Season 7.
 
I’m probably oversharing, but “Masks” is another one I really loved as a child. What’s not to love about an ancient alien mythology and Brent Spiner turning the overacting dial to eleven? Also, and this will only mean something to folks who originally watched this in the German dub, but “Masks” is a superb showcase for Data’s German voice Michael Pan, who gives it his all to provide each new character iteration with a unique voice.
 
"He's my Number One Dad!"
I enjoy it, in a bad sort of way.

Rascals makes me laugh, which is more than I can say for Sub Rosa which makes me...change the channel.
I’m probably oversharing, but “Masks” is another one I really loved as a child. What’s not to love about an ancient alien mythology and Brent Spiner turning the overacting dial to eleven? Also, and this will only mean something to folks who originally watched this in the German dub, but “Masks” is a superb showcase for Data’s German voice Michael Pan, who gives it his all to provide each new character iteration with a unique voice.
As a lover of mythology Masks stands out for me to enjoy.
 
I’m probably oversharing, but “Masks” is another one I really loved as a child. What’s not to love about an ancient alien mythology and Brent Spiner turning the overacting dial to eleven? Also, and this will only mean something to folks who originally watched this in the German dub, but “Masks” is a superb showcase for Data’s German voice Michael Pan, who gives it his all to provide each new character iteration with a unique voice.

I enjoy it, in a bad sort of way.

Rascals makes me laugh, which is more than I can say for Sub Rosa which makes me...change the channel.

As a lover of mythology Masks stands out for me to enjoy.

Count me in the camp as a lover of "Masks". I've defended this episode and "MOVE ALONG HOME" more than any other episode in the franchise. "Masks" deserves a far better rating than people generally seem to give it.
 
“Move Along Home” is another it’s so bad it’s good situation, definitely.

Bashir: “We've gone from the second shap to the third shap to the fourth shap already!”
Kira: “What is a shap?”
Bashir: “I have no idea.”

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Count me in the camp as a lover of "Masks". I've defended this episode and "MOVE ALONG HOME" more than any other episode in the franchise. "Masks" deserves a far better rating than people generally seem to give it.

"Move Along Home" seems to be to DS9/Trek what "The Girl Who was Death" is to The Prisoner - melding a different genre into an episode for whatever reason(s) to see how it plays out. Some didn't care for the The Prisoner's 15th outing, but I found it refreshing... And it too had a similar background, due to budget issues - for different reasons, as this Swingin' Sixties show was not intended to having been given more than ten or so episodes in the first place, and this old Danger Man script was sitting somewhere and was sufficiently suitable to be grafted in. It's pretty much great until the ending, anyhow. But I digress, and DS9's equivalent is also at the show's start whereas Prisoner's is nigh on the tail-end...

"Move Along Home" is a great character piece for Quark, which also elevates them above and beyond the 1D stick figures shown incessantly in TNG.

It also intended to have a higher budget, where we would have gotten far more than a bottle show with rewrite and reused alien set.

The story attempts, and succeeds to varying extents, a completely different alien culture.

The hopscotch bit is meant to make the audience feel weird.

The ending solidifies the story's greatness by slight-of-hand expectation diversion with "it was just a game!" before the Wadi all leave as inconsequentially as they arrive.

One day, I'll actually defend this story. What, I've not already? As the Second Doctor might opine, Oh dear... :devil:

"Masks" has all the hallmarks of a cool TOS episode, but carried into TNG quite well. Especially as it wouldn't have worked nearly as well in season 1 of TNG... but I digress and use italics again...
 
The ending solidifies the story's greatness by slight-of-hand expectation diversion with "it was just a game!" before the Wadi all leave as inconsequentially as they arrive.
Or makes the story a hollow aesop of torture.

Count me in the camp as a lover of "Masks". I've defended this episode and "MOVE ALONG HOME" more than any other episode in the franchise. "Masks" deserves a far better rating than people generally seem to give it.
Well, I can agree on Masks.
 
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