Exeter

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Except for the little fact that when his view is "My guess is that they will make an announcement along these lines [non-completion of the show] later this year" his view and his prediction is just wrong. Whether intentional or not, it's a fabrication based on a lack of information.

He has a right to be wrong, of course.

 

[JM1776]

When people start shelling out cash for this stuff, they'll have the genuine right to gripe over delays in production.

 

[Mallory]

The problem is that if people started shelling out cash, Paramount would step in and kill the thing. Obviously, I'm not on the receiving end here but I tend to look at the griping as a positive thing. If people really weren't interested they wouldn't care that its late.

 

[boobatuba]

UWC Defiance said:
Except for the little fact that when his view is "My guess is that they will make an announcement along these lines [non-completion of the show] later this year" his view and his prediction is just wrong. Whether intentional or not, it's a fabrication based on a lack of information.

He has a right to be wrong, of course.

How is someone's guess a fabrication? His view and his opinion are exactly those...his. You might not like the fact that he is speculating on whether TTI will be completed at all, but it's not like he posted facts...just his opinion. Words do mean things, and saying a person's view or opinion is a fabrication (a polite word for "lie") is just inaccurate, and implies a dishonorable motive. I would prefer to err on the side of courtesy, and just disagree.

Of course, if you're arguing that people shouldn't post their opinion about such things on a message board devoted to such discussions, that is also your call to make. I think most of the users on this forum would disagree with such a stance, though.

My opinion, for what it's worth, is that the episode will eventually be completed...the production team has so much effort already committed to TTI (filming of the live action isn't cheap), it would be ridiculous to think they wouldn't complete it.

 

[USS Intrepid]

Intentional or not. Well-meaning, or not. Making sweeping statements and assumptions about anything when you don't have the facts is neither wise nor helpful. Especially when it's actually rather easy to find those facts. You mileage, of course, may vary.

 

[nostradamus]

USS Intrepid said:Making sweeping statements and assumptions about anything when you don't have the facts is neither wise nor helpful.

Just look in the "Future of Trek" Section. All that people do over there is exactly that. So I dont really see a problem with it.

According the facts: I know that the Exeter people are getting close now. But that is what they already did months and months ago. I dont blame them, they have all the time in the universe. Then again I am not the only one who´s getting nervous. I get nervous because I am an Exeter fan.

But I have seen things slowly die before when live gets in your way. Even a labour of love can become a millstone around your neck when you have to move on in live. One day you might very well decide to cut that stone off.

My wild speculation was more like an expression of fear of a worst case scenario than it was intended to hit a bad nerve (which it obviously did with some of you). But if I have stirred up this discussion a bit I consider it a good thing.

 

[RJDiogenes]

USS Intrepid said:
Making sweeping statements and assumptions about anything when you don't have the facts is neither wise nor helpful. Especially when it's actually rather easy to find those facts.

You dream of a much quieter world.

 

[JM1776]

Mallory said: If people really weren't interested they wouldn't care that it's late.

Which justifies a little grumbling, granted. It's a matter of degree ... and this is more than a few degrees too high, from where I sit. I have little doubt these guys are doing their best in relation to what real life is throwing at them.

Acquire some patience, I say.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

boobatuba said:
How is someone's guess a fabrication?

That's specifically in reference to the "guess" that there will be an announcement later in the year that the show's not being finished. In this case, that would be like my "guessing" that there will be an announcement later in the year that explorers have discovered a colony of tool-using dinosaurs living in the Amazon river basin who are plotting the overthrow of the Venezuelan government.

If people suspect that the project will peter out, I can't say that I'm surprised - they're entirely wrong, but the opinion is certainly defensible. Making predictions or speculation about specific behavior, though - "there will be an announcement later this year" - moves from the realm of opinion into something else.

 

[BJensen]

UWC Defiance said:
...there will be an announcement later in the year that explorers have discovered a colony of tool-using dinosaurs living in the Amazon river basin who are plotting the overthrow of the Venezuelan government...

I'd suspect these are the same dinosaurs who helped depose Salvador Allende.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Yeah, they're Company lizards.

Here's the latest I've heard:

http://www.subspacebbs.com/forums/showpost.php?p=210228&postcount=582

 

[Jon1701]

nostradamus said:
Just look in the "Future of Trek" Section. All that people do over there is exactly that. So I dont really see a problem with it.

I think given that Dennis (UWC Defiance) is actually working on the project means he has a certain inside knowledge that we dont have in the Future of Trek forum (where we are basically feeding on scraps). If he says he plans to finish it, then its certainly a lot more concrete than the sweeping assumptions that fly around in that place.

A lot of people who work on the fan movies post in here - do you not think they might be the ones to know what is happening on their own projects? When J.J. Abrams barrels into the FOT forum declaring that "TREK IS OFF", thats when I'll start to panick...

 

[USS Intrepid]

RJDiogenes said:
You dream of a much quieter world.

Guilty as charged.

 

[Phantassm]

boobatuba said:

UWC Defiance said:
Except for the little fact that when his view is "My guess is that they will make an announcement along these lines [non-completion of the show] later this year" his view and his prediction is just wrong. Whether intentional or not, it's a fabrication based on a lack of information.

He has a right to be wrong, of course.

How is someone's guess a fabrication? His view and his opinion are exactly those...his. You might not like the fact that he is speculating on whether TTI will be completed at all, but it's not like he posted facts...just his opinion. Words do mean things, and saying a person's view or opinion is a fabrication (a polite word for "lie") is just inaccurate, and implies a dishonorable motive. I would prefer to err on the side of courtesy, and just disagree.

Of course, if you're arguing that people shouldn't post their opinion about such things on a message board devoted to such discussions, that is also your call to make. I think most of the users on this forum would disagree with such a stance, though.

My opinion, for what it's worth, is that the episode will eventually be completed...the production team has so much effort already committed to TTI (filming of the live action isn't cheap), it would be ridiculous to think they wouldn't complete it.

That's what I said...but you said it better.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

It misses the point in either case.

 

[Phantassm]

^^Well this will be one of those agree to disagree because regardless of what is said the guy has a right to say it.

 

[Trekwatcher]

UWC Defiance said:

My opinion, for what it's worth, is that the episode will eventually be completed...the production team has so much effort already committed to TTI (filming of the live action isn't cheap), it would be ridiculous to think they wouldn't complete it.

Brother, I hope you are right.

 

[doubleohfive]

^
He is.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Phantassm said:
^^Well this will be one of those agree to disagree because regardless of what is said the guy has a right to say it.

No one's disputed his right to say it.

For god's sake, the apparent raison d'etre of the Internet is to enable anyone anywhere to announce to the whole world whatever pops into their head regardless of whether it's appropriate, smart, responsible or even interesting. The Web is a great leveler in that respect. Everyone has the right to blather.

What I dispute is whether the content of what he said in this case is valid either as points of fact or as informed speculation. I know it to be neither.

 

[USS Intrepid]

UWC Defiance said:
What I dispute is whether the content of what he said in this case is valid either as points of fact or as informed speculation. I know it to be neither.

Unsurprisingly, I'm with Dennis on this. People are too eager to put forward their opinions on the net, even when those opinions have no basis in fact. The problem then, is others read those opinions and put far more stock in them than they should.

Personally, I feel it's not what you say, it's how you say it. If he'd simply said he was concerned the film would never be finished, well fair enough. But that's not the case here.