Discovery saucer ring spins?
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It's never stated that Starfleet went and picked up the telescope. The most likely explanation is that Saru took it when they were abandoning ship. When they got to a starbase, it's packaged up according to Georgiou's last will and testament. Perhaps Saru decided to hang on to it considering Burnham would be in jail for the rest of her life. Now that she is free he decided to give it to her but didn't want to do so directly. We also have only Tilly's word that it came via mail or whatever.
Not all the answers are going to apparent right away perhaps there is an intentional reason as to why the audience was not told how the telescope was recovered
It is a part of the whole "weak story but we give you too many cool gimmicks".
I think the biggest example was the Court Martial scene in the dark with the spotlight over Michael.
For me it is the worst scene I have ever watched in anything Star Trek. It even beats VOY salamanders.
It shows the shallowness of the show in all its glory.
I hope someone from TPTB will realize all this and fix it and give us a good 2nd season.
Key one being that.... it doesn't actually matter. There are dozens of reasons that easily tie it all together (only a few of which are in here). Such small details being poked at for reasons of discrediting everything is quite the stretch, even for the elitists!
Re: retrieving a telescope, Kirk had a similar last will and testament piece that he delivered to Spock and McCoy. Saru cared deeply about his captain, maybe he thought that he'd salvage that for her. It's a pretty grungy bit of nit-picking IMHO, you may ask why they didn't salvage the dilithium processor, but that was explained by the Klingons who pointed out that it was dangerous to remove it. Certainly, I'd imagine that other equipment was salvaged from the wreck, including any sensitive bits and bobs.
Re: Why it was smart writing for the Klingons to just float there for six months?
This was a plot point and showed Voq's belief in Tkumva's ideals that they shouldn't pollute their culture.
Re: abandoning the Shenzou - it was obsolete and not worth salvaging. Hygiene was no issue, since she wasn't going anywhere. It is a bit odd that neither the Klingons nor Starfleet showed up to secure the 'battlefield'. I'd fanon this away with some ideas....
- Maybe the Klingons were afraid to go back in case Starfleet were going to be there still. Maybe the Klingon fleet were engaed in combat elsewhere and the binary star system wasn't of strategic value.
- Starfleet didn't care about the wrecked ships, just salvaged what they could. Maybe they offered aid to Voq, but we know he would've rejected it. Maybe the Klingons said they'd kill themselves rather than be taken prisoner, so Starfleet left them alone?
Regarding the derelict/disabled ships after the Gunfight at the Binary Stars Corral: When the Shenzou lost power during the fight, the ship (not the asteroids around the ship, but only the ship) was getting dragged into the binary's accretion disk and had to be rescued by Europa. After the fight, then six months on, all the derelicts are sitting where they were left. Apparently warp speed isn't the only thing that works as a function of plot. So do gravity wells.
It's aggravating that the writers put so much effort into the fake whiz-bang golly-gee-willikers science of the show that they can't be bothered to get the basic real stuff right. And yes, I know every Trek series is guilty of the same thing to lesser and far greater degrees. But you'd think in this day and age they'd watch a couple Neil Degrasse Tyson vids on YouTube first.
It's aggravating that the writers put so much effort into the fake whiz-bang golly-gee-willikers science of the show that they can't be bothered to get the basic real stuff right. And yes, I know every Trek series is guilty of the same thing to lesser and far greater degrees. But you'd think in this day and age they'd watch a couple Neil Degrasse Tyson vids on YouTube first.
OK, now I'm no scientist, but here goes..... The asteroids don't get pulled in due to their mass - the same reason why the moon doesn't get pulled down to the earth. So the asteroids must be in some sort of orbit of the binary star. Here's Googles answer for why the moon doesn't fall on the earth:
"So the moon "falls" toward Earth due to gravity, but doesn't get any closer to Earthbecause its motion is an orbit, and the dynamics of the orbit are determined by the strength of gravity at that distance and by Newton's laws of motion. Moon is continuously falling towards earth but missing all the time!"
So, back to the Shenzou, yes, when it lost power, it got pulled toward the binary star (it's mass isn't as great). I assumed that as it was fleeing toward the binary star, its forward momentum was also a problem. I just assumed that it was moved far enough away from the gravity well so that it wasn't pulled toward the binary star - or rather that it is still being pulled, but not at a great speed.
All asteroid fields in all sci-fi shows are scientifically innacurate, they dont fly around so close to one another.
http://www.todayifoundout.com/index...-would-actually-be-quite-safe-to-fly-through/
Right, the asteroids are falling inward slowly as a function of orbital velocity. The ships weren't orbiting the stars, they were holding position relative to the binary stars and one another. Once they lost power, they should have gotten sucked into the accretion disk. And yeah, the scary jumble of rocks makes for a great visual, but not so much good science.
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Now that you mention it, watching Discovery is very much like riding through Disney's Haunted Mansion. They keep turning you this way and that so you see only what they want you to, hoping you don't look away to see the projectors and mirrors and strings.
With Discovery, those devices they don't want you noticing are hand-waving, plot holes, and nonsense. And a ghost doesn't follow you home, either. What a letdown.
Back to the spinning rings; I heard a character refer to it as the "excess energy cavitation" system. So it slings off the mushroom juju they don't need?
After all the years of complaints about technobabble, I can't believe anyone on the writing staff thought that was a good idea.
I wonder if Lorca hums the dreidel song to himself with the spinning starts.
I'm sure Tilly sings this...
But then the whole ship turns into a damn fidget spinner, so is it really necessary to have the rings of the saucer spin?
It's what I imagine the thoughts of an autistic kid stimming would look like.
Was shocked at first when it started spinning but then once I got used to it, it was pretty damn cool.
Pretty soon - when it spins, the Klingons will hear this over subspace radio:
Oh, gawds... I realize now that this was an entirely wrong thread for my bout of aggression. This is not the one where the obvious explanation for the telescope was offered about three times and the same question still kept on being asked.
So, a deserved flaming warning for what was a bout of stupidity, too. I'm very, very sorry.
As for the explanation: there's zero reason to think anybody went back for the telescope. Somebody, probably Saru, would just grab the thing when leaving in the escape pods, an obvious thing to do when leaving "home" for the last time. Most people would grab the family photo album. But nobody in his, her or its right mind would grab the volatile dilithium doodad when attempting to save his, her or its life! What would be the point?
The telescope would then sit on some desk somewhere because there would be no point in mailing it to Burnham in the prison where she wouldn't be allowed to receive it anyway. Until somebody somewhere learned that Burnham now supersecretly served on this supersecret starship, and did mail the thing to the supersecret address. Which is the one amazing thing about this all.
No Feds went back to the battle site, apparently. It was at the former border, after all, and Klingons are supposed to be winning, so the place would be off limits to Starfleet. The Klingons in turn wouldn't think the site had anything of worth: everybody who saw the cloaking demonstration died in the battle or got stranded on T'Kumva's ship.
Kol heard the claim but didn't see the demo; him returning must mean he's grasping at straws, and is now willing to believe even in the unbelievable if that helps him win the war for his House.
And the impression I got was that Voq couldn't ask for help even if he wanted to. We never saw him use those nifty holocomms for an interstellar call - he probably lost the ability in the battle.
Timo Saloniemi
So, a deserved flaming warning for what was a bout of stupidity, too. I'm very, very sorry.
As for the explanation: there's zero reason to think anybody went back for the telescope. Somebody, probably Saru, would just grab the thing when leaving in the escape pods, an obvious thing to do when leaving "home" for the last time. Most people would grab the family photo album. But nobody in his, her or its right mind would grab the volatile dilithium doodad when attempting to save his, her or its life! What would be the point?
The telescope would then sit on some desk somewhere because there would be no point in mailing it to Burnham in the prison where she wouldn't be allowed to receive it anyway. Until somebody somewhere learned that Burnham now supersecretly served on this supersecret starship, and did mail the thing to the supersecret address. Which is the one amazing thing about this all.
No Feds went back to the battle site, apparently. It was at the former border, after all, and Klingons are supposed to be winning, so the place would be off limits to Starfleet. The Klingons in turn wouldn't think the site had anything of worth: everybody who saw the cloaking demonstration died in the battle or got stranded on T'Kumva's ship.
Kol heard the claim but didn't see the demo; him returning must mean he's grasping at straws, and is now willing to believe even in the unbelievable if that helps him win the war for his House.
And the impression I got was that Voq couldn't ask for help even if he wanted to. We never saw him use those nifty holocomms for an interstellar call - he probably lost the ability in the battle.
Timo Saloniemi
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