Discovery officially renewed for Season 4

[Noname Given]

Right it’s really the only product they have that people watch. But other services like Netflix have Star Trek. So yeah the highest watched stuff in cbs all access is the newer trek because they are the only ones that have it. But their services is the low on the list of popular services. I rarely use it now because most of their content stinks.

The friend I was using to watch CBSAA at the start didn't subscribe for any of the Star Trek stuff. She likes CSI, NCIS and "The Good Fight", and primarily subject first to watch those shows.

 

[fireproof78]

When they stop producing content then it will be a poor sign.

Until then, it works.

 

[XCV330]

Right it’s really the only product they have that people watch.

You don't know that. As I have said there are a lot of shows on there. I'm not going to enumerate them. You're free to have a look. However, since I have generally found anything you believe in to have the opposite to be true, I will take that as a decent bell-weather for CBS's current good bill of health.

 

[Campe]

Unless something changes; I would expect them to produce STD until it has about 100 episodes (Yes it's a streaming series, but I'm sure CBS still wants syndication options for it on terrestrial TV, and worldwide and other markets years down the road.

At around 13 episodes per season; that would mean it would last about 7 to 8 such seasons total.)

I worked in ad sales about six years ago. Syndication wasn’t making a lot of money for stations then. Not sure why in the days when a large majority of catalog programming is available at the touch of a button that they really care that much about that road these days.

Right it’s really the only product they have that people watch. But other services like Netflix have Star Trek. So yeah the highest watched stuff in cbs all access is the newer trek because they are the only ones that have it. But their services is the low on the list of popular services. I rarely use it now because most of their content stinks.

My wife watches The Good Fight. I’ve slowly started the new Twilight Zone.

 

[Noname Given]

I worked in ad sales about six years ago. Syndication wasn’t making a lot of money for stations then. Not sure why in the days when a large majority of catalog programming is available at the touch of a button that they really care that much about that road these days

But it still makes money for them, and that's the bottom line. The more profit streams you have the better your business is. So as long as Star Trek Discovery is profitable, they will continue to make it until it allows them to open up future profit streams.

 

[Campe]

But it still makes money for them, and that's the bottom line. The more profit streams you have the better your business is. So as long as Star Trek Discovery is profitable, they will continue to make it until it allows them to open up future profit streams.

A fair point. I guess I just question the model but if it works, then I shouldn’t question it too much.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

So, a single show bundle is able to keep an entire service afloat?
Wow, what a failure!

 

[tomalak301]

I am a little confused about something in regards to this announcement. Is there a difference between what the cast does and "production"? What I mean is a few weeks ago we saw a picture saying Discovery Season 4, Filming, yet we only got the official announcement yesterday and they said production was starting in November. Was this a Covid quarantine delay or was that picture posted too early? I thought they were already filming for Season 4 and have been at it for a couple weeks now.

 

[DaveyNY]

Almost always, the Writers and Production Crew are the first to come back to work.
(and usually months before the Actors)

The Actors won't show up till the sets are built and lit and the final designs and production back-office work is completed.

Then they first come back for run throughs of the scripts and costume fittings before even setting foot on a soundstage.

 

[Stephen!]

And Sonequa was also pregnant, so couldn't necessarily just rush back to work immediately.

 

[F. King Daniel]

You mean like that universally beloved JJ Trek film series that he co-wrote, which was so successful that it only made 3 movies in over a decade and left ViacomCBS unsure on how to proceed?

Only 3 movies. So a dismal failure, like the Nolan Batman movies.

 

[Vger23]

Watching people twist and spin trying to make themselves and others believe that Star Trek is a failure is always a lot of fun. The amount of mental gymnastics that people are capable of is honestly impressive.

I’d love to see it go 10 seasons just to piss off the haters.

No matter what, it has to end at some point..and at that time, even if they have more than 7 seasons, those folks who dislike the series will no doubt feel vindicated. Which is ridiculous of course.

They would still argue that it ended with less episodes than TNG and thus a huge failure.

Absolutely

 

[tomalak301]

And Sonequa was also pregnant, so couldn't necessarily just rush back to work immediately.

I didn't know this. Congrats to her.

 

[fireproof78]

But it still makes money for them, and that's the bottom line. The more profit streams you have the better your business is. So as long as Star Trek Discovery is profitable, they will continue to make it until it allows them to open up future profit streams.

That doesn't make it a success...somehow.

 

[RAMA]

There are a few big-ticket items that were planned and never made it to the stores, and yes it's disappointing not to see them, we only now have 3 Discovery MEGO figures coming out. But Star Trek Merchandise sales were pretty level till Discovery came out. If you go on the Star Trek store itself, there are 160 Discovery items listed for sale. There's an entire line of Discovery starships, of which I have most of them. I have Discovery posters, mugs, trading cards, bags, novels, comics, non-fiction books, magazines where its on the cover, etc. There's quite a bit out there, including this!

RAMA

That's the one thing that has been a bit disappointing to me: the merch.

There's never really going to be "action figures" or anything like that for Star Trek (there's some, I know), because it's not really that kind of property. But it wouldn't hurt if they made more adult toys. (Ha!)

No, but me wants an insanely expensive scale-model of Cleveland Booker, my new favorite character™'s ship.

I want a Nautilus to go along with my bed that's like Aditya Sahil’s, and my personal transporter.

Please do this, ViacomCBS.

Almost always, the Writers and Production Crew are the first to come back to work.
(and usually months before the Actors)

The Actors won't show up till the sets are built and lit and the final designs and production back-office work is completed.

Then they first come back for run throughs of the scripts and costume fittings before even setting foot on a soundstage.

What Davey said ^^^^

 

[RAMA]

Release Date Title Production Budget Opening Weekend Domestic Box Office Worldwide Box Office
Jul 22, 2016 Star Trek Beyond $185,000,000 $59,253,211 $158,848,340 $335,802,233
May 16, 2013 Star Trek Into Darkness $190,000,000 $70,165,559 $228,778,661 $467,381,584
May 8, 2009 Star Trek $140,000,000 $79,204,289 $257,730,019 $386,839,614

Do better.

Box office and video sales of the 3 Kelvin films: $1,512,950,734

Budget: $515,000,000 +$400,000,000 Marketing (EST)

Profit: $597,950,734

We've all been over these in this BBS before, and there's a lot of nebulous accounting in Hollywood, but those are the basic numbers at least.

One of the most common misconceptions (delusions) online for Star Trek fandom is: "I don't like it, so no one else does and it must have been a failure". I think I've shattered that delusion 500 times in the last 4 years.

RAMA

 

[Noname Given]

I am a little confused about something in regards to this announcement. Is there a difference between what the cast does and "production"? What I mean is a few weeks ago we saw a picture saying Discovery Season 4, Filming, yet we only got the official announcement yesterday and they said production was starting in November. Was this a Covid quarantine delay or was that picture posted too early? I thought they were already filming for Season 4 and have been at it for a couple weeks now.

The scripts, set building, etc. <--- That's Pre-Production. Of course any series has to HAVE been greenlit/renewed before Pre-Production begins; but I'd say STD Season 4 (and LDS and STP season 2) have been in Pre-Production since before final Season 3 production (including all the SFX, editing, sound mixing, et. al.) wrapped.

 

[El Maestro]

This is good news for a couple of reasons. First is personal for me; I’ve enjoyed DSC and look forward to more.

The second has to do with Hollywood psychology: Star Trek is clearly viewed/perceived as a thriving/profitable property (by the most important people in this context: executives at CBS). They will be more inclined to keep the franchise active.

 

[Uhura's Song]

Never seen someone fail so hard and succeed so much.

I can think of several examples, unfortunately.

 

[Tuskin38]