Continuum Season 4
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A lot happened this week in the aptly titled "Rush Hour," which might be a result of the storytelling being compressed to fit the short closing season. It felt a little unfocused, particularly with regard to Travis and Jasmine. Even though Liber8 dissolved last season after realizing their mission was futile, now suddenly those two are hoping to kill Kellogg and take control of his soldiers for... what reason, now? Okay, that final scene had Kellogg suggest that Curtis had sicced them on him, but it was left unclear whether that's what really happened.
And the ending was weird. First, Travis and Jasmine try to kill Kellogg and don't care that Kiera will be killed too. Then Travis gets captured and Jasmine shows up in Kiera's car and demands that she help rescue Travis. Then they have a brief conversation, and suddenly Jasmine's joining the gang for dinner at Alec's and everyone's all friendly. What happened?
Well, at least Jasmine finally got out of that car for the first time in two episodes. I guess that disproves my speculation that she was being kept in the car to hide an injury or pregnancy, but it does leave no explanation for why she spent nearly two episodes entirely inside cars.
And I wish they'd make up their minds about whether getting Kiera home is possible or not. She told Carlos it was impossible, but was talking with Alec and Kellogg as if it could be done.
I also have a problem with the idea of Kellogg as the ultimate big bad of the series. He's always seemed more a penny-ante operator, and a somewhat morally ambivalent figure. Evil mastermind isn't a role that he seems to fit into that well. But maybe he's a red herring and the real threat will turn out to be the Traveler and Curtis.
And the ending was weird. First, Travis and Jasmine try to kill Kellogg and don't care that Kiera will be killed too. Then Travis gets captured and Jasmine shows up in Kiera's car and demands that she help rescue Travis. Then they have a brief conversation, and suddenly Jasmine's joining the gang for dinner at Alec's and everyone's all friendly. What happened?
Well, at least Jasmine finally got out of that car for the first time in two episodes. I guess that disproves my speculation that she was being kept in the car to hide an injury or pregnancy, but it does leave no explanation for why she spent nearly two episodes entirely inside cars.
And I wish they'd make up their minds about whether getting Kiera home is possible or not. She told Carlos it was impossible, but was talking with Alec and Kellogg as if it could be done.
I also have a problem with the idea of Kellogg as the ultimate big bad of the series. He's always seemed more a penny-ante operator, and a somewhat morally ambivalent figure. Evil mastermind isn't a role that he seems to fit into that well. But maybe he's a red herring and the real threat will turn out to be the Traveler and Curtis.
They're piling on the big events as the series races toward its finale. The death that occurred in "Power Hour" was quite unexpected, and something of a game-changer where Kiera's relationship with Brad is concerned.
Speaking of relationships, it's weird to see Kiera being so chummy and empathetic toward the Liber8 members she spent three seasons trying to arrest and/or execute. I mean, I know they have a common enemy now, but still, she sure warmed up to them in a hurry.
But seeing Kiera and Jasmine fighting side-by-side was a lot of fun. I particularly liked the stunt choreography in the fight between Jasmine and that really big soldier guy who could just pick her up and toss her around so effortlessly, while she took advantage of her smallness and agility. It was like watching ballet. This is why I like hand-to-hand fight scenes in film and TV better than gunfights -- because it's essentially dance and acrobatics, performers showing off their impressive physical skills, and that's more engaging to me than the simulated violence.
I agree with Jasmine that Kiera's concern with getting home is getting in the way of her mission to stop the soldiers, and may have contributed to the tragic loss. It's time she stopped thinking of herself and focused on living up to her job title as a Protector.
I've been having trouble with the idea of Kellog, of all people, being the ultimate big bad, but Travis summed it up effectively here. Kellog represents greed, the profit motive above all other priorities, and that's the same mentality that led to the dystopia of Kiera's future and the worse dystopia of Brad's future, as well as the mentality behind Piron's co-opting of the police force and Other Alec's turn to the dark side. (You could throw in Dillon's moral degeneration, though in his case it was a greed for control and authoritarian power rather than wealth.) Greed is essentially the ultimate evil in the series, and out of all the time travellers, Kellog is the only one whose primary allegiance is to greed. So maybe it's fitting that he ended up at the main villain. And his seeming benevolence early on could've been part of that, showing how harmless and appealing greed can be. Although that's probably reading too much into it.
Speaking of relationships, it's weird to see Kiera being so chummy and empathetic toward the Liber8 members she spent three seasons trying to arrest and/or execute. I mean, I know they have a common enemy now, but still, she sure warmed up to them in a hurry.
But seeing Kiera and Jasmine fighting side-by-side was a lot of fun. I particularly liked the stunt choreography in the fight between Jasmine and that really big soldier guy who could just pick her up and toss her around so effortlessly, while she took advantage of her smallness and agility. It was like watching ballet. This is why I like hand-to-hand fight scenes in film and TV better than gunfights -- because it's essentially dance and acrobatics, performers showing off their impressive physical skills, and that's more engaging to me than the simulated violence.
I agree with Jasmine that Kiera's concern with getting home is getting in the way of her mission to stop the soldiers, and may have contributed to the tragic loss. It's time she stopped thinking of herself and focused on living up to her job title as a Protector.
I've been having trouble with the idea of Kellog, of all people, being the ultimate big bad, but Travis summed it up effectively here. Kellog represents greed, the profit motive above all other priorities, and that's the same mentality that led to the dystopia of Kiera's future and the worse dystopia of Brad's future, as well as the mentality behind Piron's co-opting of the police force and Other Alec's turn to the dark side. (You could throw in Dillon's moral degeneration, though in his case it was a greed for control and authoritarian power rather than wealth.) Greed is essentially the ultimate evil in the series, and out of all the time travellers, Kellog is the only one whose primary allegiance is to greed. So maybe it's fitting that he ended up at the main villain. And his seeming benevolence early on could've been part of that, showing how harmless and appealing greed can be. Although that's probably reading too much into it.
Kellog forced Keira to have sex with him back in the first season breaking her marriage vows. Wher old Alec created Liber8 to create his own future, Kellog always had his own plans and even tried corrupting Keira to his side, it had more to do with power than money. Power was old Alec's driving force not money.
It's two episodes left for us in the States.
So apparently the Traveller is some kind of transhuman cyborg with a time machine built into his body. I suppose that's a reasonable extrapolation from a time machine the shape and size of an orange. (Which apparently has now been dubbed the "time ball." Ick. I prefer "time tangerine" myself.) The tech is compact enough that it could be integrated into a cyborg. Still, they gave him essentially magical powers, like touching Alec's forehead and letting him meet himself.
Though that does seem to confirm that Kiera's timeline still exists and can be accessed, since that was "her" version of Old Alec. The Traveller apparently let Young Alec experience his future self's memories of building the time tangerine and sending Liber8 and Kiera back (plus Jason and Kiera's partner, accidentally). That suggests Kiera will be able to get home. But if so, what's the point? If that dystopian future still exists, even if there's now another timeline that turns out better, how is that a happy ending? Maybe Kiera could return to work with Old Alec to institute reforms in the system?
And just how recursive is this? If Young Alec got Old Alec's memories, then did the reverse happen as well? Is the reason Old Alec decided he needed to change and cancel out his past because he got an infusion of knowledge from his younger and wiser self? So instead of one timeline replacing another, maybe we have two timelines mutually interlinked in a causal Moebius loop, each depending on the other.
So apparently the Traveller is some kind of transhuman cyborg with a time machine built into his body. I suppose that's a reasonable extrapolation from a time machine the shape and size of an orange. (Which apparently has now been dubbed the "time ball." Ick. I prefer "time tangerine" myself.) The tech is compact enough that it could be integrated into a cyborg. Still, they gave him essentially magical powers, like touching Alec's forehead and letting him meet himself.
Though that does seem to confirm that Kiera's timeline still exists and can be accessed, since that was "her" version of Old Alec. The Traveller apparently let Young Alec experience his future self's memories of building the time tangerine and sending Liber8 and Kiera back (plus Jason and Kiera's partner, accidentally). That suggests Kiera will be able to get home. But if so, what's the point? If that dystopian future still exists, even if there's now another timeline that turns out better, how is that a happy ending? Maybe Kiera could return to work with Old Alec to institute reforms in the system?
And just how recursive is this? If Young Alec got Old Alec's memories, then did the reverse happen as well? Is the reason Old Alec decided he needed to change and cancel out his past because he got an infusion of knowledge from his younger and wiser self? So instead of one timeline replacing another, maybe we have two timelines mutually interlinked in a causal Moebius loop, each depending on the other.
^No spoilers, please!
In this case, and probably not this case alone, the US is a special needs case.
Canada leads, and Canada shouldn't have to pretend it doesn't lead just to make America feel like a big boy.
Canada leads, and Canada shouldn't have to pretend it doesn't lead just to make America feel like a big boy.
Kellogg, as I recall, was known to be a master manipulator, if I remember his criminal profile from season 1. I think in his own time, he didn't have an opportunity...but like Back 2 the Future 2...opportunity struck, and there he goes, taking advantage. But it looks like that he's trying to avert a future he helped create, just as Alec apparently did (and so glad to FINALLY see Old Alec again).
Also, Stephen Lobo has done a magnificent job portraying Kellogg, making him swarmy, but yet an inkling of a conscience, which apparently in the future, actually grows . I am definitely interested to see what part he plays.
Well, the title of the show is Continuum
But if most of the users here are from the states, then seeing spoilers, especially with a series finale, is not good.
He was a con artist, certainly, but there was no indication that he was a real threat. In the flashback/forward we got to his arrest (by Kiera, in one of the show's many Dickensian coincidences), we saw that it was his sister who was the true Liber8 believer and he just sort of got dragged into it when she needed his help. He was painted as a sympathetic figure because his sister died (in fact, Kiera killed her by attacking them with high explosives, a fact that the show has oddly declined to use as a factor in Kellog's motivations, perhaps because it makes Kiera look too bad). In season 1, he was the comic-relief guy who played both sides and that Kiera used as an uneasy ally (and even slept with once). True, he's been striving for bigger things ever since he backed Alex's establishment of SadTech in season 2, but there wasn't really any indication that he'd end up being a more serious threat than Liber8.
That's what we were led to believe. Now it turns out, apparently, that Old Kellog just wants to harvest Young Kellog's kidneys and save his own life. Any pretense of wanting to save the future is just another con.
It's called "being polite." If you're already in the lead, you lose nothing by being gracious to those at a disadvantage.
(I'm just being a prick.)
What about Britain? If Canada has to wait for America, shouldn't then Canada and America wait for Britain? And then Britain, Canada and America have to wait for Australia, and t... Where does it end?! Where does it end!?
(I'll stop being a prick for as long as I can.)
This thread was started by an American, who was painfully unaware that there are ways, like Canadian Citizenship, to get ahead of the unwashed, so even though this is not a "spoilers thread" the rollout of spoilers should probably abide to an American timetable since that was the spirit of the original post.
(See, I can be reasonable.)
Oh?
"if most of the users here are from the States"
I see you said "if" Morpheus, but how sure are you that us dirty foreigners might not have you outnumberd and surrounded?
What about Britain? If Canada has to wait for America, shouldn't then Canada and America wait for Britain? And then Britain, Canada and America have to wait for Australia, and t... Where does it end?! Where does it end!?
(I'll stop being a prick for as long as I can.)
This thread was started by an American, who was painfully unaware that there are ways, like Canadian Citizenship, to get ahead of the unwashed, so even though this is not a "spoilers thread" the rollout of spoilers should probably abide to an American timetable since that was the spirit of the original post.
(See, I can be reasonable.)
Oh?
"if most of the users here are from the States"
I see you said "if" Morpheus, but how sure are you that us dirty foreigners might not have you outnumberd and surrounded?
Here's hoping that Simon Barry won't try and be "edgy" or shit like that and leave us hanging for example - Kyra triggers the timeball and disappears and we don't find out whether she's returned to her family in 2070, finds nothing there in or has her molecules scattered throught the time vortex.
Another solution could be that some how her son is sent back to the past by Old Alec and she stays in the present with her son, Carlos and anyone else who is left at this point.
