BREAKING: Paramount Sets Top Secret Star Trek Movie For Summer 2023; To Be Produced By J.J. Abrams

[STEPhon IT]

Taking into account post production, when would they have to start shooting and still be able to have it ready to release by summer of next year?

Does it have to be a summer release? From the gross of the last one earned, it would probably be best for the studio to consider releasing the new movie, if there is one, to Fall or January to avoid the aftershock of success from Avatar*.

*Whether its 2023 or 2024 Disney decides to release those movies every December.

I agree; Paramount/CBS doesn't care as long as it makes money. They'd turn ST into a rom com if that's what brought in the numbers.

But Dune didn't do anywhere near as well as Marvel. None of Denis Villeneuve's movies do.

All Paramount knows is that comic book movies, Fast & Furious movies and Star Wars movies have hit the billion mark, so that's what they're going to ape.

You just have to wonder how many times it has to fail before they'll change their approach.

A billion times.

 

[johnjm22]

I don't hate the Kelvinverse films on the whole. I'm onboard for another one as long as JJ isn't directing.

But I did hate Into Darkness. Loathed it. The other two are okay entertainment but not my kind of Star Trek. Too much action.

The KV films are a lightyear better than what Discovery and Picard are putting out.

 

[fireproof78]

I'll never understanding hating a film.

I get indifference. But, even with the TNG films I don't hate them. They simply are uninteresting, passing through my mind once and then never again.

Kelvin Films and current Trek are things that I think on still.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

I'll never understanding hating a film.

I get indifference. But, even with the TNG films I don't hate them. They simply are uninteresting, passing through my mind once and then never again.

Sometimes I've hated a film because it was terrible and I was trapped in a cinema for two hours having to endure it. Sometimes I've hated a film because it did terrible things to a franchise or characters I cared about. I suppose it's an occasional side effect of loving films.

 

[johnjm22]

I'll never understanding hating a film.

Do you understand loving a film?

Love and hate. It's two sides of the same token. You can't hate something unless you care about it.

 

[fireproof78]

Do you understand loving a film?

Love and hate. It's two sides of the same token. You can't hate something unless you care about it.

I mean...yes and no. I understand being moved by a film and certainly enjoying a film. I think there are a few films I would say I love, but hate? Hate is such a strange thing for me with a film. Like, to me, hate involves basically it offends me by it's existence, that it damages something I love. With people, I can understand that. With films, it's more of a struggle. It doesn't quite connect.
If I don't care about it film I discard it; no harm, no foul.

Sometimes I've hated a film because it was terrible and I was trapped in a cinema for two hours having to endure it. Sometimes I've hated a film because it did terrible things to a franchise or characters I cared about. I suppose it's an occasional side effect of loving films.

I guess I'll have to accept it as something that is in other people's experiences but not mine. Certainly I can understand it, knowledge wise, but experiencing it? No, I don't. Films exist as separate entities to me, so them doing "terrible things" is harder to parse. If I don't like it, then I discard it, and ignore it. It's not part of my interaction with the franchise.

Doubt that makes much sense. Sounds very calloused now that I write it out. But I don't know how to write it elsewise.

ETA: I think it's the term "hate." Hate to me is not just a "Oh, I don't like that." Hate is a deep seeded passionate anger at something. It's a term I don't use very often because it is such a deep feeling. I don't quite use it for movies because to me, a film is never doing a disservice to a past iteration, even if I disagree with choices. The original I do love still exists.

 

[dupersuper]

The fandom needs to be a little less "special" whenever their expectations are subverted. Because that's a GOOD thing.

Not intrinsically.

 

[johnjm22]

Like, to me, hate involves basically it offends me by it's existence, that it damages something I love.

Hate is a deep seeded passionate anger at something.

You just described my feelings on Into Darkness perfectly.

 

[BillJ]

You just described my feelings on Into Darkness perfectly.

All I can do is laugh at the self-inflicted drama over a piece of entertainment.

 

[fireproof78]

You just described my feelings on Into Darkness perfectly.

And I will respect that.

But I don't understand it.

 

[cooleddie74]

The first two acts of STID are fine with me. For me the film implodes in the ridiculous third act but at no point does it "insult me." It's just not on balance a good Trek film in my eyes and I go on to the next one.

There are episodes of Trek that are FAR worse than that movie and I don't scream and cry about how they ruined my social life or make me miserable. That's taking fandom to a very unhealthy level.

 

[johnjm22]

All I can do is laugh at the self-inflicted drama over a piece of entertainment.

What drama?

The first two acts of STID are fine with me. For me the film implodes in the ridiculous third act but at no point does it "insult me." It's just not on balance a good Trek film in my eyes and I go on to the next one.

There are episodes of Trek that are FAR worse than that movie and I don't scream and cry about how they ruined my social life or make me miserable. That's taking fandom to a very unhealthy level.

But who's saying that a ST movie ruined their social life or made them miserable? (Unless you're being hyperbolic, which I assume you are).

It's true there's episodes of ST that are probably worse than STID. I think the difference is an episode isn't as important as a movie. A bad episode is no big deal. They'll be another episode out next week; it's just not as impactful as a movie.

I think STID is the main reason the Kelvinverse movies failed (I'm sure many will disagree). So it's more worthy of my vitriol than say Sub Rosa is.

Also, for me, the intent of a piece of ST affects my like/dislike for it. ST5 may be a bad movie, but I like what they're trying to do. NEM and STID on the other hand, not only are they bad movies, but I also despise what they're trying to do; make a big dumb action movie, with the latter trying to ape off of the franchise's greatest hit.

 

[cooleddie74]

I'm no cheerleader of the second film but yes, I'm being hyperbolic. Occasionally we get people on this board who sound like the franchise has been forever ruined by one terrible film or disappointing series or both and sometimes you just have to view those extreme viewpoints through a lens of sarcasm and humor. I feel jaded by how some episodes or films conclude but there's too much else in the franchise to celebrate to get too worked up about it where it becomes a poster's trademark.

 

[fireproof78]

it's more worthy of my vitriol than say Sub Rosa is.

I don't think it is, though. If it's bad, then it's unworthy of further attention. It's done no harm.

but I also despise what they're trying to do; make a big dumb action movie, with the latter trying to ape off of the franchise's greatest hit.

If that's all you took away from it then I see the possibility of disdain.

 

[Tenacity]

I was trapped in a cinema for two hours having to endure it

While rare, I have walked out of movies while they were still running. it can be a surprisingly satisfying experience.

 

[F. King Daniel]

For me the film implodes in the ridiculous third act

Whereas I see that third act as one of the best cinematic examples of a situation going completely out of fucking control Ive ever seen.

The captain dies
The Vengeance crashes and wipes out half of San Fran
Spock goes feral and beams down with the intent of beating Khan to death
It takes Uhura to talk him down

"Chaos" is an understatement.

 

[StarMan]

Expectations are a bitch. I was way too hyped for STID and about 2/3 of the way thru realised I was still waiting for it to hit it's stride and "get going".

 

[M'Sharak]

While rare, I have walked out of movies while they were still running. it can be a surprisingly satisfying experience.

I think I've only left during a movie once, but it is worth remembering that all theaters A) have exits, which are B) clearly marked, even when all the other lights in the house are dark.

 

[Ovation]

I think I've only left during a movie once, but it is worth remembering that all theaters A) have exits, which are B) clearly marked, even when all the other lights in the house are dark.

I recall twice wanting to leave a movie well before it was finished but, in each case, I was everyone’s ride home, so I endured each movie to its bitter (to me) end. The first was the original Red Dawn in the 80s and the second was The Blair Witch Project (that one still owes me 81 minutes of my life).

 

[fireproof78]

I think I've only left during a movie once, but it is worth remembering that all theaters A) have exits, which are B) clearly marked, even when all the other lights in the house are dark.

I have no issue walking out of a film. No film is worth my time if I find it unenjoyable.