Where's Winona Kirk?
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She doesn't figure in the events of the movie at all.
Where, for that matter, are Kirk's family during TOS when they're not story-points? We knew nothing canonical about his parents until Abrams's movie, did we? Not even their names.
Where, for that matter, are Kirk's family during TOS when they're not story-points? We knew nothing canonical about his parents until Abrams's movie, did we? Not even their names.
I don't see how Winona could've figured into the rest of the movie, bar perhaps having her in the crowd when Kirk's given his medal at the very end.
Ron Moore was story consultant, then?
Dusty Ayres
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Winona Kirk is probably off on a long deep space assignment (five or six year exploratory mission) and most likely can't or couldn't get back in time to be around James Kirk, most likely. Maybe she buried herself so deep in her work that she ignored how her brother was a drunken asshole.
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^ Brother? 
I know the guy on the comm (i.e. Greg Grunberg's voice) was, in an early draft, supposed to be Uncle Frank, but he isn't identified as such in the film. Perhaps he is actually Winona's second husband? If he is what he seems to be, he probably abuses her just like he did Jimmy. He sure sounded like the type who would.
I know the guy on the comm (i.e. Greg Grunberg's voice) was, in an early draft, supposed to be Uncle Frank, but he isn't identified as such in the film. Perhaps he is actually Winona's second husband? If he is what he seems to be, he probably abuses her just like he did Jimmy. He sure sounded like the type who would.
I read that the voice Kirk hears when he's driving is supposed to be his stepdad. The fact that he stole the guy's car and ignored the orders he was getting over the phone says a lot about their relationship or lack of one.
I also thought it went a long way towards explaining why Kirk was so much more of a cocky jerk in this movie than the one we know from the 60s series. Being raised by his mom and a step dad he didn't like much definitely could warp his personality big time.
I also thought it went a long way towards explaining why Kirk was so much more of a cocky jerk in this movie than the one we know from the 60s series. Being raised by his mom and a step dad he didn't like much definitely could warp his personality big time.
Dusty Ayres
Commodore
^ Brother?
I know the guy on the comm (i.e. Greg Grunberg's voice) was, in an early draft, supposed to be Uncle Frank, but he isn't identified as such in the film. Perhaps he is actually Winona's second husband? If he is what he seems to be, he probably abuses her just like he did Jimmy. He sure sounded like the type who would.
Brother, second husband, who gives a frack?
Sorry about that, but the point I wanted to make is that she just wasn't there because she didn't need to be, or there wan't enough time to feature her beyond giving birth to her son, the hero of the movie. MAYBE she should have been featured in an on-the-TV-screen scene at the medal ceremony, but that might have been pushing things.
And no, he was raised by his step-dad, and it was because of his step-dad he's the way he was in the movie-his mom had NOTHING to do with it.
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Guess you didn't stay for the credits which, from Captain Robau/Faran Tahir on down, are in order of appearance -- the angry voice on the phone when Young Jim Kirk is driving the Corvette is that of 'Stepdad'.
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kkozoriz1
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Trek has always treated parents with a degree of contempt. In TOS we only got Spock's parents to personify the conflicting sides of his personality. Easily more than half the characters have one or more deceased parents despite being relatively young. I actually had assumed that Kirk's family died during the whole Kodos thing which was why Kirk was one of the only living eye-witnesses. From what Spock says, perhaps his mother died and his father lived to see him become captain? We don't really know what Kirk was doing on the planet at all. Possibly a boot camp for Starfleet brats while ma and pa were off galivanting on strange new worlds? No wonder he has commitment issues!
Winona may not even be in Starfleet. She could just as easily been a civilian along for the ride.
Evil step-parents gotta eat, too.
After the number of Mad Scientists that Kirk and company encountered on TOS, the occasional wicked stepparent is a pretty minor stereotype.
Someone once observed that any time the crew of the Enterprise was introduced to someone who was "renowned throughout the galaxy" for their brilliance or humanitarian work or outstanding service record they'd have been well advised to phaser them immediately.
Someone once observed that any time the crew of the Enterprise was introduced to someone who was "renowned throughout the galaxy" for their brilliance or humanitarian work or outstanding service record they'd have been well advised to phaser them immediately.
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