Star Trek XI - TNG Style

[nx1701g]

So Patrick Stewart has said that they were planning to do one final TNG film to wrap everything up (which we already knew with the whole "A Generation's Final Journey Begins..." tagline).

So, if they had gone forward with it what would you have liked to see in the TNG Trek XI?

 

[sovereign]

So many great options. I would have preferred just about any TNG movie opposed to that stinking piece of sh*t we got this May.

 

[Admiral_Young]

I've thought about this. I know some fan fics that have dealt with this have had the Enterprise E come to the Titans rescue during some kind of crises involving the Romulans. I hate those ideas. It makes Riker look like an incompetent Captain which he wouldn't be. I don't know what a follow up would be to Nemesis. Maybe something with Q in it.

 

[Shazam!]

Wait, so the options were a final TNG film or the rebooted/restarted/retarded Star Trek XI?

I would've way preferred another TNG film.

 

[JarodRussell]

Me too. Rumor has it that Bryan Singer wanted to do an epic 200 million dollar TNG movie.

 

[Warp Coil]

After NEM, I was pretty much done with the TNG films. Riker and Troi have left the ship. Data's dead. Off-screen, Crusher was supposed to have left for Starfleet Medical again (though all references were cut out of the final film). It felt like the family was starting to go their separate ways. On one hand, it would have been nice to see the franchise do one more TNG film to redeem itself for the utter failure of NEM. But I'm actually really happy that they chose to re-boot with JJ Abrams instead.

 

[Shazam!]

But I'm actually really happy that they chose to re-boot with JJ Abrams instead.

It wasn't a reboot.

 

[ChristopherPike]

There were several ideas for the 11th film that didn't make it. The one that sounded too "fanboyish" actually appealed to me... that of a Mirror versus Prime Universe film. Barking mad Emperor Tiberius somehow crossing paths with Archer in a first Act, and then Picard for Acts II & III in the post Nemesis era. Yep, I've no idea how that was supposed to work either, but that was the 3 Enterprise Captains pitch promised at one point. It would've been different to say the least, fitting Shatner's irreverent naughties attitude... playing a meglomanic Kirk kicking ass, out to conquer the 24th Century but going out with a bang.

 

[Sovay]

There were several ideas for the 11th film that didn't make it. The one that sounded too "fanboyish" actually appealed to me... that of a Mirror versus Prime Universe film. Barking mad Emperor Tiberius somehow crossing paths with Archer in a first Act, and then Picard for Acts II & III in the post Nemesis era. Yep, I've no idea how that was supposed to work either, but that was the 3 Enterprise Captains pitch promised at one point. It would've been different to say the least, fitting Shatner's irreverent naughties attitude... playing a meglomanic Kirk kicking ass, out to conquer the 24th Century but going out with a bang.

Holy shit, that sounds AWESOME.

Shazam: in what way wasn't it a reboot?

 

[ChristopherPike]

There were several ideas for the 11th film that didn't make it. The one that sounded too "fanboyish" actually appealed to me... that of a Mirror versus Prime Universe film. Barking mad Emperor Tiberius somehow crossing paths with Archer in a first Act, and then Picard for Acts II & III in the post Nemesis era. Yep, I've no idea how that was supposed to work either, but that was the 3 Enterprise Captains pitch promised at one point. It would've been different to say the least, fitting Shatner's irreverent naughties attitude... playing a meglomanic Kirk kicking ass, out to conquer the 24th Century but going out with a bang.

Holy shit, that sounds AWESOME.

Did a little digging and this was the rumour around 2005. With stalled negotations with Shatner on an Enterprise appearance, they could've expanded the idea for a feature to secure him...

http://www.aintitcool.com/talkback_display/22021?q=node/22021

Speculation but they probably would have Emperor Tiberius come through that Tholian interphase space into the 22nd Century era, planning to corrupt the past and thwart Mirror Spock's revolution. Instead the plan goes haywire, with the discovery of our universe's Archer and Earth Starfleet. After a fierce conflict, the unstable space shifts his Terran invasion force to the 24th Century to cause trouble for Picard.

 

[Christopher]

Shazam: in what way wasn't it a reboot?

Some people are under the false impression that because Ron Moore's Battlestar Galactica was described as a reboot, that means the word can only be used to mean a complete restart of the continuity. So I would assume he's saying that since ST XI was in the same universe, merely an altered timeline, it doesn't qualify as a reboot by that definition.

But the way the term is used in the industry isn't as narrow as its usage in fandom. A reboot is any revitalization or fresh approach to a dormant franchise. Continuity isn't the priority of people in the industry; profitability is. So taking a property that hasn't been making money in a while and starting it up again as a profitable concern constitutes a reboot of the franchise no matter how you treat the continuity. After all, rebooting your computer doesn't mean replacing its software, it just means starting it up again from an inactive state. So there's no reason you can't use the term "reboot" for a continuation set in the same continuity as the original, like Doctor Who, or in an offshoot of that continuity, like ST XI, as well as for a whole new continuity like Galactica.

 

[Admiral_Young]

Singer stated in an interview that he was interested in doing a Trek film with the TNG cast I'm not sure where the 200 million dollar epic thing comes from. I guess I can't come up with a feasible plot for another TNG movie is because Nemesis was so finale. The TNG relaunch books have done a pretty good job of continuing these voyages of the starship Enterprise without seeming like fan fic. I'm all for another TNG movie but I have no ideas for a plot.

 

[Shazam!]

Some people are under the false impression that because Ron Moore's Battlestar Galactica was described as a reboot, that means the word can only be used to mean a complete restart of the continuity.

It isn't a 'false' impression. http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=define%3A+reboot&meta=&aq=f&oq==

As Star Trek's continuity and storylines are very much intact and very much still relevant with the existence of Prime Spock in the new universe, it's no more a reboot than a mirror universe episode of Deep Space Nine.

 

[JarodRussell]

So there's no reason you can't use the term "reboot" for a continuation set in the same continuity as the original, like Doctor Who

That would be called a "retcon", I believe.

 

[Shazam!]

After all, rebooting your computer doesn't mean replacing its software, it just means starting it up again from an inactive state.

Also, that's booting, not rebooting. A computer reboot is shutting down from an active state and then starting again, erasing the previous session and overwriting.

 

[Christopher]

It isn't a 'false' impression. http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=define%3A+reboot&meta=&aq=f&oq=

Oh, yeah, like taking definitions off the Internet constitutes an authoritative reference.

I know how the general public tends to use the term, and naturally that's the usage that will predominate in an Internet search. My point is that industry insiders use the term more broadly, in the sense that I described. As with so many things (cf. "canon" and "remastered"), the fan usage of the term differs widely from its technical or professional usage.

As Star Trek's continuity and storylines are very much intact and very much still relevant with the existence of Prime Spock in the new universe, it's no more a reboot than a mirror universe episode of Deep Space Nine.

Not by the narrow definition you're using, but by the media insider's definition of a reboot as revitalizing a piece of intellectual property that has lain dormant and making it profitable again, it is a reboot.

Also, that's booting, not rebooting. A computer reboot is shutting down from an active state and then starting again, erasing the previous session and overwriting.

Exactly. "Reboot" is a computing term that's only metaphorically applied to media franchises, so it's silly to talk about a slang term as though it has only one rigid meaning. It's silly to insist that your figurative usage of "reboot" is superior to someone else's figurative usage. It's slang, and different people use it to mean different things.

 

[Shazam!]

Oh, yeah, like taking definitions off the Internet constitutes an authoritative reference.

Well at least it's something other than going "I disagree!"

media insider's definition of a reboot as revitalizing a piece of intellectual property that has lain dormant and making it profitable again, it is a reboot.

Source?

 

[JarodRussell]

Oh, yeah, like taking definitions off the Internet constitutes an authoritative reference.

That has been and will always be one of the most arrogant statements, sorry.

In my mind I hear an old grandpa now: "Unless you show it to me in a heavy, expensive Encyclopedia I won't believe you that water is wet!"

but by the media insider's definition of a reboot as revitalizing a piece of intellectual property that has lain dormant and making it profitable again, it is a reboot.

Media insiders. Aha. So hearsay is a much better source than the Internet?

 

[Shazam!]

Media insiders. Aha. So hearsay is a much better source than the Internet?

Nothing is a better source then THE INTERNET ; )

 

[Eagle]

Getting back on topic, I would've liked to have seen another TNG film after Nemesis. For me, that film began the process of moving on and the tag line suggested that it was the beginning of that journey and not the end of it. So, really the end of Nemesis feels like the end of a chapter and not the end of the series. There was another film planned after all. Nemesis is no book-end for the TNG films and it's painfully obvious. TNG deserved a good send off like the original crew did but they got screwed over.

When it comes down to it they should have hired Frakes for director. Someone who is more than qualified for the job than that Bird bloke, for Nemesis. Bird didn't seem to give a shite about Trek and the way it was done but just stood by his own arrogant ways about how it should be done. He even ignored the actors concerns about the way things were being done.

Trek XI: ????? would probably have been released in 2004-5 and would've coincided with the last season of Enterprise. Assuming that Enterprise would be cancelled that same year - it would be time to put prime time line to bed and start work on what we got this year. Prime TOS got another chance after Trek V for one more, I think TNG deserved the same. Afterall, it was on TV for 4 more seasons than the original and became extremely popular in the 1990's ( not putting down TOS at all there ). Hell of a way to treat the TNG crew I think.

Trek XI could've used Q again, seeing Picard "out there" like he said in "All good things. . ." and maybe could've pulled characters from each series together using Q. Missed opportunity, so sad .