Star Trek XI - TNG Style

[Hartzilla2007]

Prime TOS got another chance after Trek V for one more.

Except that your comparison only works if Insurrection was as popular as Star Trek IV, which from what I hear wasn't the case. So in effect your comparison would only work if Star Trek IV was meh at the box office and then they made Star Trek V, which probably would have buried the movie franchise.

 

[Eagle]

Except that your comparison only works if Insurrection was as popular as Star Trek IV, which from what I hear wasn't the case. So in effect your comparison would only work if Star Trek IV was meh at the box office and then they made Star Trek V, which probably would have buried the movie franchise.

After checking the box office stats online I didn't realize Insurrection did as bad as that . So Nemesis really was a second chance and they tanked it. . . oh my.

 

[JarodRussell]

Except that your comparison only works if Insurrection was as popular as Star Trek IV, which from what I hear wasn't the case. So in effect your comparison would only work if Star Trek IV was meh at the box office and then they made Star Trek V, which probably would have buried the movie franchise.

After checking the box office stats online I didn't realize Insurrection did as bad as that . So Nemesis really was a second chance and they tanked it. . . oh my.

Hello? Insurrection made 112 million worldwide. That's just a little less than Generations, and more than Undiscovered Country (even adjusted for inflation), and definately more than Final Frontier.

So Nemesis was indeed TNG's The Final Frontier.

Except that your comparison only works if Insurrection was as popular as Star Trek IV, which from what I hear wasn't the case. So in effect your comparison would only work if Star Trek IV was meh at the box office and then they made Star Trek V, which probably would have buried the movie franchise.

Flawed logic. TOS also didn't have 7 seasons, it was cancelled after 3. You could also say you can't make a comparision because the movies Insurrection competed against weren't the same... so you can never ever make any comparison, because there will always be differences in the situations.

 

[nx1701g]

This even wasn't meant to be that serious, but you guys are already going wild. It's funny. Judging a brain fart for a not even planned movie by a short description of a poster, LOL.

How long have you been a member here? Little things drive most posters wild like this.

 

[Eagle]

Hello? Insurrection made 112 million worldwide. That's just a little less than Generations, and more than Undiscovered Country (even adjusted for inflation), and definately more than Final Frontier.

So Nemesis was indeed TNG's The Final Frontier.

Yes, I'm right here and no - Insurrection made a little less than Generations but it cost a lot more to make than Generations. In fact it cost more than First Contact to make but didn't do as well as First Contact. That means for a movie that cost more to make than those previous two but never beat them in terms of worldwide gross is what made Insurrection TNG's Final Frontier comparison. Nemesis was TNG's Undiscovered Country and it failed, miserably. At least Undiscovered country beat the worldwide gross figures of Final Frontier even though it had a lower budget than Final Frontier.

See what I'm getting at ?

Here's the link I'm getting my figures from:

http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/series/StarTrek.php

 

[Eagle]

Despite those figures, TNG still should have been given one final movie as was planned and learned the nasty lessons of Nemesis ( and some from Insurrection ). Getting a decent script together wrapping up loose ties from the series and hiring Frakes for Director ( as I've said before ). Nemesis may have done worse than Insurrection and Insurrection worse than First Contact, but that's what you get for taking the fan base for granted and doing something that just does not work properly. Nemesis was trying to do a Khan but that was looking at the wrong reason why Khan was a success. It's not about the battles and dark story, it's about taking a good loose end from the series that you can make a decent movie with. That's why Khan was a success, not just because of the long battles in space ( as they just add to story if they advance it in a decent way ).

 

[Shazam!]

Probably more substance than the new movie.

And about 1% of its popularity and success.

Popularity and success are in no way whatsoever indicative of quality though.

However, I don't mind that the new movie was successful even if I did find it to be possibly the worst Star Trek film you could ever hope to make. Its success guarantees that they'll get another crack of the whip.

 

[Bones2]

However, I don't mind that the new movie was sucessful even if I did find it to be possibly the worst Star Trek film you could ever hope to make. Its success guarantees that they'll get another crack of the whip.

Much as with TMP.

 

[I am not Spock]

In retrospect, a movie that combined the best of both Nemesis and nuTrek would have absolutely rocked.

Eric Bana as the villain. Huge fleet including the Enterprise departing Earth. Destruction of Vulcan. Spock. Spock being responsible for Nero's wife's death. TNG era and cast. Enterprise ramming the villain ship. Huge budget. Visual effects by ILM. Faster pace. Score by Goldsmith. Directed neither by Baird nor by Abrams, but by someone who likes great, epic visuals without lens flares and without camera shaking.

Actually, I like this idea. Star Trek XI should have been in the TNG era, and been a prequel to the 24th C events in the Abrams movie we eventually got.

And JJs film would have been Trek XII.

 

[I am not Spock]

We're lucky we even got Nemesis. Insurrection tanked, and Nemesis was their second chance at glory. They brought in new blood (Logan, Baird) but it still bombed. Most media franchises would have been axed after the first bomb, not the second.

 

[Bones2]

In retrospect, a movie that combined the best of both Nemesis and nuTrek would have absolutely rocked.

Eric Bana as the villain. Huge fleet including the Enterprise departing Earth. Destruction of Vulcan. Spock. Spock being responsible for Nero's wife's death. TNG era and cast. Enterprise ramming the villain ship. Huge budget. Visual effects by ILM. Faster pace. Score by Goldsmith. Directed neither by Baird nor by Abrams, but by someone who likes great, epic visuals without lens flares and without camera shaking.

Actually, I like this idea. Star Trek XI should have been in the TNG era, and been a prequel to the 24th C events in the Abrams movie we eventually got.

And JJs film would have been Trek XII.

That's Countdown. Would have made a decent movie, with some tweaks, but I think in the eyes of TPTB, live action 24th century (Prime universe) Trek is dead. I just hope it won't be that way forever.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

In retrospect, a movie that combined the best of both Nemesis and nuTrek would have absolutely rocked.

Eric Bana as the villain. Huge fleet including the Enterprise departing Earth. Destruction of Vulcan. Spock. Spock being responsible for Nero's wife's death. TNG era and cast. Enterprise ramming the villain ship. Huge budget. Visual effects by ILM. Faster pace. Score by Goldsmith. Directed neither by Baird nor by Abrams, but by someone who likes great, epic visuals without lens flares and without camera shaking.

Actually, I like this idea. Star Trek XI should have been in the TNG era, and been a prequel to the 24th C events in the Abrams movie we eventually got.

And JJs film would have been Trek XII.

That's Countdown. Would have made a decent movie, with some tweaks, but I think in the eyes of TPTB, live action 24th century (Prime universe) Trek is dead. I just hope it won't be that way forever.

Well it wouldn't be if they would just make a DS9 movie.

 

[nx1701g]

^ More likely they'd skip it and go on to Voyager...

But it'll never happen.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

^ More likely they'd skip it and go on to Voyager...

But it'll never happen.

We'll if CBS could get rid of the guy who doesn't like Star Trek and do a few TNG TV mini series, because that's the only way I can see TNG working again.

 

[Bones2]

Actually, I like this idea. Star Trek XI should have been in the TNG era, and been a prequel to the 24th C events in the Abrams movie we eventually got.

And JJs film would have been Trek XII.

That's Countdown. Would have made a decent movie, with some tweaks, but I think in the eyes of TPTB, live action 24th century (Prime universe) Trek is dead. I just hope it won't be that way forever.

Well it wouldn't be if they would just make a DS9 movie.

I'm no writer, but I can't see how a DS9 movie would work, or at least one that would have an appeal to a general audience. An 8th season of DS9, that I can see as working out brilliantly. That said, I wouldn't trust them to write it without me on the staff, going by the way Dukat ended up...

 

[I am not Spock]

Yeah, as much as I love DS9, how the hell do you make it appeal to the general population? Without recasting Sisko as Will Smith, or Megan Fox as Dax? Sssh... I should stop there before I start giving them ideas.

 

[JarodRussell]

You guys really underestimate the general population. You don't need Will Smith to make a successful movie. That's the constricted thinking pattern of Hollywood execs, but it's not the truth.

And then there's nothing you can't do with trailers and an agressive promotional campaign. Bribe the TV stations to show the episodes again and make sure everyone gets the memo. And if the movie is exciting, it will be a success, regardless whether this was the movie of the second Trek spin off or not.

 

[Bones2]

Yeah, but a DS9 film would probably require you to know quite a bit about DS9, whereas TNG films don't require that knowledge. Your average person won't go to the bother of reading up on things before seeing a DS9 film, when they could go and see something else that they don't have to know too much about first.

 

[Keith1701]

Totally agree.

Sounds good to me.

 

[BillJ]

You guys really underestimate the general population. You don't need Will Smith to make a successful movie. That's the constricted thinking pattern of Hollywood execs, but it's not the truth.

And then there's nothing you can't do with trailers and an agressive promotional campaign. Bribe the TV stations to show the episodes again and make sure everyone gets the memo. And if the movie is exciting, it will be a success, regardless whether this was the movie of the second Trek spin off or not.

No offense to Deep Space Nine. But a DS9 movie would tank worse than Nemesis.

- Most of the leads are now far too old (are you going to re-cast?).
- The general popualtion is very unfamiliar with the characters and background. Part of Trek's allure is its' familiarity and the nostalgia factor (that is why the last movie featured a re-cast Kirk, Spock and Gang).
- Far too large a cast for a two-hour film. Who do you cut out?

Unfortunately, the show wasn't anywhere near as popular as The Next Generation or The Original Series.