Romulan Star Empire?
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You really want me to go? 
JB
JB
Not really.You really want me to go?
JB
But don't say silly stuff like that unless you actually intend to enjoy the comebacks sure to fly your way.
I don't have a preference.You really want me to go?
JB
I do intensely dislike the poorly-premised nitpicking and exaggerated disapproval of trivia that some Trekkies engage in. It lessens the little bit of joy we can take in our hobby, and the less of it the better.
This series is quite simply becoming the best version of Trek since the original, IMO, and I just don't care whether all the specifics match a TV series from the mid-20th century. Of course they're going to change things and they should change things.
And no amount of "but they don't have to/why?" makes any difference at all.
I have become less tolerant of this as well over the use. I know a fair amount of Trek trivia, but that has no bearing on a person's enjoyment of show. I see it treated as a badge of honor, yet used as language to exclude shows from the elite group of Star Trek.
I'm just happy to revisit the TOS era in any way shape or form after decades of Trek building on TNG. As long as they have the broad strokes right, I'm happy.
Specific to the Romulans, Romulan subterfuge in ENT S4 is how I would like to see the Romulans feature in SNW. While we can be told the Romulans are the same race as the vulcans, that knowledge cannot be disclosed or it will cause serious problems for Federation stability.
Specific to the Romulans, Romulan subterfuge in ENT S4 is how I would like to see the Romulans feature in SNW. While we can be told the Romulans are the same race as the vulcans, that knowledge cannot be disclosed or it will cause serious problems for Federation stability.
Who's "they"?
They is they.
This is coming from some one who's not crazy about Discovery, particularly the first two seasons which includes said war, but...it really doesn't affect it at all.
As when it was revealed in TOS that Zefram Cocran invented Earth's warp engine, or in TAS that the Kzinti had former hostilities with Earth or in Voyage Home that humpback whales were extinct by the 23rd century or in TNG that WWIII was followed by post-apocalyptical horror and soldiers were at some point intentionally addicted to drugs or that there had been a border war with Cardassia a few years prior to TNG or in DS9 that there were riots caused by the homelessness epidemic in 2024 or Quark Rom and Nog were the aliens in Roswell or in Voyager that Kirk had held the record for most first contacts until they got lost on the other side of the galaxy or in Enterprise that Romulans had once had infiltrators on the Vulcan high council...it's all historical information that we didn't have before those stories, but it changes not one thing about the earlier stories (except in some cases perhaps inadvertently providing a possible new context).
Again, this is also coming from some one often annoyed by prequels, but...they're currently making four.
Overwriting what previous writers wrote has been going on since Season 1 of TOS.
That’s why most people are fine with it. There has always been firm, constant and consistent inconsistency in Star Trek.
That’s why most people are fine with it. There has always been firm, constant and consistent inconsistency in Star Trek.
Exactly. Don't tell me it's consistent when it hasn't been. It's far more like historic mounds, called tels, where cities are damaged and new cities built on top of it. An imperfect metaphor perhaps but that's what comes to mind.
I think the Romulans should come roaring in and attack Earth in SNW. Screw continuity.
In a sense it's like Vietnamese city planning. New infrastructure bolted over the decaying remnants of the old and given a fresh coat of paint.
It would be one thing if TOS-ENT was some inviolate, 100% consistent body of work which so called 'Nu-Trek' is running roughshod over, but that's simply not the case. Every Star Trek show so far, old and new, sometimes struggle for consistency within themselves, not just the wider canon. See TNG early season weirdness or Voyager's magical torpedo supply.
Basically the thing people are whining about is the exact thing that will inevitably happen when a bazillion different writers bring their ideas to the show over a 60 year period.
Ie: A massive fucking mess.
It is what it is. It doesn't really matter anyway. They are all just stories.
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Four new series out of five take place not only after TOS, but after TNG/DS9/VOY.Why can't they just write a story set after Kirk's time? Why keep on contradicting events, characters and the look and feel of the show? It's because the current producers find the original series an embarrassment I believe!
JB
Picard
Discovery from Season 3 onwards (they permanently jumped 930 years into the future)
Lower Decks
Prodigy
We can bare with one series that's Pre-TOS.
Plus, even if they aren't fighting with the Romulans currently in SNW doesn't mean that the Romulans just disappeared into non-existence. The Federation can still be concerned about getting into a war with them again. They probably consider having avoided war with them for this long to be a good thing. A situation they want to actively try to keep. But, if the Federation ever did go to war with the Romulans, they'd want to have as many allies on their side as possible. Especially in strategic places. That's called thinking ahead.
Having a Federation world between Romulan and Klingon Space guarantees a Federation presence in that area no matter what happens. As long as everyone respects their borders, nothing happens. But, if they don't... It's not canon-breaking, it's moving chess pieces. Do you think what happened in "Balance of Terror" came from out of nowhere? Something made the Romulans finally decide, "It's time to strike."
I'll say what I always say, "It's not going to be as much the same as some people would like, but it's also not going to be as different as some other people would like." They'll fudge some things. So if you don't want anything fudged you're going to be disappointed. They'll fudge things to the point where they have something workable for SNW. Wherever that ends up being, we'll see. And we haven't yet.
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