Would a 31' Type F fit in a 1080' Enterprise?

[Irishman]

For you guys who've done the scaling up, scaling down, and trying to wedge this into that regarding the scale of both the E-Nil and the Galileo Type F Shuttlecraft from TOS.

I've read with great enthusiasm the threads of Warped9 and his effort to harmonize the three references we have for the Shuttlecraft.

I've also read with boundless enthusiasm the threads trying to decide the smaller Enterprise versus the larger (1080 foot) Enterprise.

I remember reading a pretty convincing bit from Warped9's thread that if they had built the Shuttlecraft model and full scale mockup to match the interior set, then it would have made a 31' craft. Is this correct?

My ultimate question is this:

Would a 31' Type F Shuttlecraft fit inside the Shuttlecraft bay of a 1080' Enterprise?

From those of us who don't have time to do the playing with the models, we thanks ya!

 

[ancient]

Since I'm the local 1080 ft person (not including shoes) I'll post up my latest version, which is far from complete and is just using a crappy little pixelated shuttle sprite for ref, but which has the most accurate scale:

This is a 22 foot shuttle. The version I'm using, which matches the size of the actual shuttle they built:

btw, don't you love how those windows don't match with the observation corridor at all? I love TOS.


This is the 26 foot size Warped9 is using, which is a half/half blending:

The little sprite man is 6-ft tall.

And here's the 31 foot version. Sorry for the pixelization, I just scaled this up. The proportions are still correct.

There is no way it's fitting on the deck below without some modifications, but the hangar is plenty big.

 

[Irishman]

Dude, that's exactly what I'm looking for.

Now, how crowded would that same shuttle be on the smaller E?

I think I'm all for the 31' shuttle myself. Gives us creative types an opportunity to flesh out the deck below (which was never seen on-screen).

 

[ancient]

This is the hangar scaled down to 88 percent while keeping the little man and doors the same size. This is about what it would look like in the 947 ft ship:

It fits, so it can be done, but you have to sort of use your imagination on the hangar scenes from the actual show.

 

[Irishman]

I've been with you on the 1080 thing for a long time now.

Just haven't been as vocal about it.

 

[JuanBolio]

I might be Captain Clueless here, but didn't Kirk state in The Galileo Seven that shuttlecraft were 24 feet in length?

 

[Captain X]

Does anyone have charts comparing the different sizes being argued? I guess going off of what EAS has and converting to feet, I get 963.3 feet.

 

[JNG]

I might be Captain Clueless here, but didn't Kirk state in The Galileo Seven that shuttlecraft were 24 feet in length?

You are Captain Clueful. He did say that.

KIRK: And out there somewhere, a twenty four foot shuttlecraft, off course, out of control. Finding a needle in a haystack would be child's play.

 

[Cary L. Brown]

I might be Captain Clueless here, but didn't Kirk state in The Galileo Seven that shuttlecraft were 24 feet in length?

This is true.

You really should spend some time, if you're interested in the topic, reading over Warped9's work on the shuttle. As far as I'm concerned, his is the "definitive" study on this to date.

He started off trying to reconcile everything seen on-screen (model, full-size set-piece, and full-size interior). Obviously, the differences were quite glaring. He did quite a bit of scaling study, and eventually came up with what he's got.

It's 26', not 24'... but realize that the nacelles extend (by about 2') beyond the end of the main section. So the main section is, for all practical purposes, 24' long. And it all works.

The 31' length (which is what's necessary to fit the on-screen interior into that shape) is far less practical, however.

I've become convinced, over time, that the 26' (overall) shuttle is the "most real" version. AND that the 1080' ship is the "most real" version as well. But since none of it is "really real" you can make up your own mind.

 

[Cary L. Brown]

Since I'm the local 1080 ft person (not including shoes) I'll post up my latest version, which is far from complete and is just using a crappy little pixelated shuttle sprite for ref, but which has the most accurate scale:


This is the 26 foot size Warped9 is using, which is a half/half blending:

The little sprite man is 6-ft tall.

You're correct about the windows not matching (I think we can all wink and nod at that one!) but one thing that drove me towards the 1080' size was this... the "observation corridor" and "control booth" are both waaay too short (as is the alcove in the side) if you stick with the smaller ship size. Yet at 1080', the sizes seem perfectly reasonable for what they are (even if they don't match up with the jerry-rigged one-time set seen on-screen).

 

[ancient]

You can sort of get the hangar and corridor set to match up at 1080 and with a little creative tweaking:


I just sketched this without bothering to measure anything, just looking at screencaps, so it's not really in proportion properly, but it does show what I'm talking about hopefully - the location and size of the viewing windows in the hangar model and the different proportions are evened out a bit. Those booths would require a little set of stairs from the corridor part, but that might actually look good and make some sense too.

 

[JuanBolio]

You really should spend some time, if you're interested in the topic, reading over Warped9's work on the shuttle. As far as I'm concerned, his is the "definitive" study on this to date.

He started off trying to reconcile everything seen on-screen (model, full-size set-piece, and full-size interior). Obviously, the differences were quite glaring. He did quite a bit of scaling study, and eventually came up with what he's got.

It's 26', not 24'... but realize that the nacelles extend (by about 2') beyond the end of the main section. So the main section is, for all practical purposes, 24' long. And it all works.

The 31' length (which is what's necessary to fit the on-screen interior into that shape) is far less practical, however.

Very interesting.... *strokes chin thoughtfully*

This is the kind of thing I anticipated being clueless about. I was pretty sure about the quote.