Wonder Woman (2017)
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In the 1990s Marvel and DC had a fan voted contest, the wrote a battles comic with the victor based on fan popularity
Storm beat Wonder Woman in a fan voted contest, before the Xmen movies and she still lost to Storm
did they try Elektra....tumbleweeds roll by......the point is people have tried other female character
the Tomb Raider films for example
I agree she is not as Iconic as people give credit, today many people know Storm, Buffy and other characters better
Buffy is for old people.
Kids don't care.
Although, with Netflix soaking into the world, the kids will get around to it eventually.
Kids don't care.
Although, with Netflix soaking into the world, the kids will get around to it eventually.
comics in the 90s were pretty much ruled by the X-Men though.
And Wonder Woman comics have almost always been unreadable shite.
ELEKTRA is a Marvel character, true, but that movie was not produced by Marvel Studios and hit before the Marvel Cinematic Universe became a thing. And as for that fan poll . . . well, the hardcore comics-reading fan crowd by no means represent the the general public, who are what ultimately matter when it comes to the box office. And I rather suspect that WW remains widely known to the masses of moviegoers who haven't read a comic in years.
Judging from the commercials on MeTV (catheters, emergency alert bracelets, funeral expenses, etc), I doubt that they're targeting a youthful demographic. And then there's the fact that it's broadcast at a much higher volume than all the other channels on cable . . . for the hard of hearing, I assume.
The Justice League cartoon (2001 - 2006) did the same wonders to preserve the girl as did the Super Friends ( (Nonconsecutively) 1973 - 1983).
Saturday morning cartoons no longer exist.
Cartoons are 24/7.
There's no special reserve of "goodstuff" or "newstuff" to inflict on the under tens at 8 am on a Saturday they couldn't stream with supper on a Thursday night.
Look at her shirt.
It says "I'm not saying I am Wonder Woman, I'm just saying nobody has ever seen me and Wonder Woman in a room together."
Saturday morning cartoons no longer exist.
Cartoons are 24/7.
There's no special reserve of "goodstuff" or "newstuff" to inflict on the under tens at 8 am on a Saturday they couldn't stream with supper on a Thursday night.
Look at her shirt.
It says "I'm not saying I am Wonder Woman, I'm just saying nobody has ever seen me and Wonder Woman in a room together."
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That was 1996, 20 years ago. It was a fan vote for a fun and silly versus comic. I wouldn't use it as a marker for WW being less popular than Storm by today's standards or even back then. Wonder Woman did have a cool moment in the comic though, when she proved she was worthy to wield Mjolnir. Something Superman couldn't do.
Who is still talking about Buffy? She's been out of the public conscious for more than a decade and has no media follow up that continued her story. Storm has seen her star fall along with most of the other X-Men over the past decade. Storm recently had a solo series in 2014, that ran for 11 issues before getting cancelled. Wonder Woman has never had her book cancelled and makes regular appearances on DC DTV movies.
Characters like Lara Croft are rubbing shoulders with Jill Valentine, Claire Redfield, Sonya Blade and others in the archives of yesteryear.
When it comes to reputable female characters, Wonder Woman is in a class of her own. Marvel has tried to make Captain Marvel (Carol Danvers) the front woman for Marvel; Carol is in everything and multiple events nowadays, but she doesn't have Diana's star power.
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^ Not really. I think the problem is the book hasn't been an entertaining read for many. The author Kelly Sue Deconnick's run was a very slow burn and nothing of consequence really resulted from it. Carol is standing side by side with Captain America (Rogers) and Thor (Thor) during the big events, but Carol herself isn't a game changer.
The writing is uninspired and disconnected from anything I would care about.
Most recently, Carol isn't a super hero, she's a freighter pilot in space... No?
My bad.
Carol is now in charge of a orbital station called Alpha Flight, that's supposed to guard Earth against aliens, which has nothing to do with Canadians.
The book where that's what she's aboot, hasn't started yet?
Carol wants to be big, but the writers just can't deliver now as hard as they did when she was "just" Ms. Marvel. Which was really just using the classic Spider-Man template form the 1980s.
Speaking of Ms. Marvel... If anyone deserves to be Captain Marvel it's Kamala, who is awsome, even if she's just using the classic Spider-Man template from the 1960s.
Most recently, Carol isn't a super hero, she's a freighter pilot in space... No?
My bad.
Carol is now in charge of a orbital station called Alpha Flight, that's supposed to guard Earth against aliens, which has nothing to do with Canadians.
The book where that's what she's aboot, hasn't started yet?
Carol wants to be big, but the writers just can't deliver now as hard as they did when she was "just" Ms. Marvel. Which was really just using the classic Spider-Man template form the 1980s.
Speaking of Ms. Marvel... If anyone deserves to be Captain Marvel it's Kamala, who is awsome, even if she's just using the classic Spider-Man template from the 1960s.
Kamala captain marvel? that's comic marketed as the muslim Captain Marvel right? DC and Marvel are so stupid these days.
and why add more religion into comics? you would think all the Christian nuts and Jewish nuts and Muslims nuts, with female genital mutilation, sectarian wars and the blood shed in the middle east, Paris attacks, San Bernardino the last thing the world needs is MORE RELIGION...marketing religion at kids even a watered down version is wrong and stupid
Did you know Joss Whedon wrote a Wonder Woman movie
but DC and Warner Bros decided it would be a bad idea, some months later Marvel hires the guys and starts talking Avengers
I agree the comic book crowd are a much different crowd to the general public,
personally I have not read Marvel or DC in years, they just to revamps and rehash old stories again and again,
the Independents is where it is at Image comics, Boom Studios, IDW Publishing,
American Independents and overseas comic like the European, French, British and Japanese are where the real stories are at
and when did DC or WB allow Wonder Woman to carry her own show?
wasn't she just an extra wheel in the justice league toon like Green Lantern and everyone else in the teams?
and why add more religion into comics? you would think all the Christian nuts and Jewish nuts and Muslims nuts, with female genital mutilation, sectarian wars and the blood shed in the middle east, Paris attacks, San Bernardino the last thing the world needs is MORE RELIGION...marketing religion at kids even a watered down version is wrong and stupid
Did you know Joss Whedon wrote a Wonder Woman movie
but DC and Warner Bros decided it would be a bad idea, some months later Marvel hires the guys and starts talking Avengers
I agree the comic book crowd are a much different crowd to the general public,
personally I have not read Marvel or DC in years, they just to revamps and rehash old stories again and again,
the Independents is where it is at Image comics, Boom Studios, IDW Publishing,
American Independents and overseas comic like the European, French, British and Japanese are where the real stories are at
and when did DC or WB allow Wonder Woman to carry her own show?
wasn't she just an extra wheel in the justice league toon like Green Lantern and everyone else in the teams?
Why would creating a character that is a positive image of Muslims that shows insight into their experience through the eyes of Kamala in the US be problematic? By all accounts, the book has been well received.
Just a decent kid living in New York with embarrassing parents.
What I'm curious about is if bloodlines is all it takes to be Inhuman, then all her siblings and at least one of her parents are also inhuman who should be wary of rising Terrigen levels.
Unless Kamala is adopted or switched at birth, or something?
PS.
Ben Grimm, the Thing is Jewish, and has Joined the Guardians of the Galaxy, lead by Kitty Pryde who also happens to be Jewish, in space.
Very odd, the internet says that Flash's religion is "Alcoholics Anonymous".
(Flash Thompson, the School Bully from the original Spider-Man comics, is now Venom, and a member of the Guardians of the Galaxy too.)
I wasn't aware that that was a recognized religion.
2 seconds on google says that it "sorta" is a quasi religion, but AA can't get or doesn't want tax exemption that comes hand in hand with being a "real" religion.
Hmmm?
Flash needs meetings.
He's in space.
Flash is going to start proselytizing.
This could be a problem.
A human religion trying to dominate space.
Earth could get blamed and get got.
Crikey.
It's like Eugene doesn't know what the Prime Directive is!
What I'm curious about is if bloodlines is all it takes to be Inhuman, then all her siblings and at least one of her parents are also inhuman who should be wary of rising Terrigen levels.
Unless Kamala is adopted or switched at birth, or something?
PS.
Ben Grimm, the Thing is Jewish, and has Joined the Guardians of the Galaxy, lead by Kitty Pryde who also happens to be Jewish, in space.
Very odd, the internet says that Flash's religion is "Alcoholics Anonymous".
(Flash Thompson, the School Bully from the original Spider-Man comics, is now Venom, and a member of the Guardians of the Galaxy too.)
I wasn't aware that that was a recognized religion.
2 seconds on google says that it "sorta" is a quasi religion, but AA can't get or doesn't want tax exemption that comes hand in hand with being a "real" religion.
Hmmm?
Flash needs meetings.
He's in space.
Flash is going to start proselytizing.
This could be a problem.
A human religion trying to dominate space.
Earth could get blamed and get got.
Crikey.
It's like Eugene doesn't know what the Prime Directive is!
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In the 70s, mate.
WW wasn't an extra on the show, she was an equal and founding member of the Justice League. She had story lines, arcs and agency in the show.
She also had a solo DTV movie in 2009.
2017 is her year and the whole world has be waiting for her!
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That's not technically true. The Buffyverse has been continued in a popular line of comic books that are plotted and supervised by Joss Whedon and are thus considered canonical. Comic books are a medium, therefore there has been media follow-up.
Carol Danvers is Captain Marvel now. Kamala Khan is Ms. Marvel, taking over Carol's old code name.
Kamala is not defined solely by her religion just because her religion happens to be different from yours. She's defined by being a fun, exuberant, youthful, believably nuanced character who's captured imaginations in a way not unlike how Spider-Man did in the '60s. The fact that she also happens to be a Pakistani-American Muslim is just one facet of who she is, because immigrants and people of diverse religious and cultural traditions are a facet of American culture, and it's ignorant and dishonest to pretend that they aren't. Should Ben Grimm and Kitty Pryde be excluded from comics because they're Jewish? Should Nightcrawler be banned because he's Catholic? Should Superman be banned because he's Protestant? Heck, Wonder Woman is an actual demigoddess, in her current interpretation. She doesn't just worship the Greek pantheon, she's related to it.
Most of the creators of the seminal comic-book characters we value today -- Jerry Siegel, Joe Shuster, Joe Simon, Stan Lee, Jack Kirby -- were the sons of Jewish immigrants. They grew up facing persecution and intolerance every day because of it, and they were inspired to use their comics to portray a better world, a world where outsiders and misfits could be heroes and could take a stand for the equal worth of all peoples. That's something we need today as much as ever, when Muslim Americans are being victimized by racist demagogues exploiting the ignorant, just as Jewish Americans like Lee and Kirby were back in the '30s. The American way includes Americans of all faiths and heritages. That's been the message of superhero comics from the beginning, even before they were able to say it openly.
Actually, for a long time there was a policy in place that Wonder Woman couldn't appear as a guest star in any TV or film adaptation, that she could only be used if she were a lead character. This was meant to raise her profile, but it backfired because it kept her from showing up as a guest in other heroes' shows, and so she got less exposure. She only got to appear in productions where she was either the sole lead, as in her 2009 animated movie, or one of the stars of an ensemble, as in the various Justice League productions. (This is why she was the only member of the Justice League who never guest-starred on Static Shock.) Luckily, that's no longer the case, which is why she was able to appear in Batman: The Brave and the Bold and Young Justice and why she's about to appear in Batman v Superman.
So it's incorrect that she was an "extra wheel" in Justice League. The only reason she could appear in it at all was because she was equal in status to the other six leads.