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Wonder Woman (2017)

Reverend said:
I don't think anybody involved with 'Wonder Woman' did so with the expectation or even hope that it'd be Oscar material. Indeed I'd say this movie felt more like the beginning of something than a culmination. A foundation to build on rather than an end-goal in and of itself, and as such expecting that level of recognition straight out of the gate is just unrealistic.
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I liked it in the cinema on first viewing but on hindsight it feels like a a puzzle piece that got no decent wider puzzle to slot into unlike with the MCU output it emulated (you may despise or be indifferent to Thor The Dark World but it served its purpose as build up and backstory to the wildly acclaimed Thor Raganarok).

All that said I think WW deserved all the praise it's received, both for being a genuinely good and entertaining movie despite a few flaws and because it
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I personally feel that WW has been overpraised, not because it's a bad film on principle, but because it's a competently decent film that stands out from a series of incoherent and lacklustre movies, while TDKR (while, IMO, objectively the better film) has been over analysed and unfairly degraded by a vocal minority because it was a follow up to the even more superior BB and TDK...
 
To be honestly, I think I probably have higher expectations for Capt. Marvel than I ever did for Wonder Woman. With them having done a ton of great movies with men in the title role, I really hope they can deliver something especially great for their first movie with a solo woman.
 
TedShatner10 said:
I liked it in the cinema on first viewing but on hindsight it feels like a a puzzle piece that got no decent wider puzzle to slot into unlike with the MCU output it emulated (you may despise or be indifferent to Thor The Dark World but it served its purpose as build up and backstory to the wildly acclaimed Thor Raganarok).
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Eh, I think that might not be such a bad thing. I mean, what makes it so easy for Marvel to pull of stuff like that is that their comics were designed from the start to be part of a Shared Universe where characters would cross over and interact all the time and one characters' mythos would affect anothers in random ways.

DC wasn't designed like that, their characters were meant to be more standalone and they didn't think of a bigger universe to link them all together until after everything was established. They've been trying to tie things together for decades now, to varying success.
 
Anwar said:
DC wasn't designed like that, their characters were meant to be more standalone and they didn't think of a bigger universe to link them all together until after everything was established. They've been trying to tie things together for decades now, to varying success.
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Not really in previous decades, but Wonder Woman was intended to be part of the wider DCEU and it even emulated the MCU formula, down to the weak or under-explored antagonists such as Ares, Dr. Poison, and McEvil General. Anyway, while the recent DC films made profit, they've fallen short at critical acclaim and rewatch value (something even TDKR excelled at), and Wonder Woman was a solid product that was ill served when it was build up to the (by most accounts) dull, tired Justice League.

My thoughts on this film synch up with this review:
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I get the feeling a certain user learned the meaning of Deus Ex Machina from me. Since I called them as such, he keeps using this phrase.
 
Kai "the spy" said:
I get the feeling a certain user learned the meaning of Deus Ex Machina from me. Since I called them as such, he keeps using this phrase.
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I'm sure there are numerous colorful Shakespearean epithets appropriate to the moment into which you have put us.
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Anwar said:
Then why did they give her Deus Ex Machina powers here that never came up in BvS or Justice League, when they'd have helped?
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You mean besides the part where she clearly flew down from the sky to save Bruce from the heat blast, or how she deflected said blast with pulsating white energy from her bracers? Or how she then projected an energy blast of her own right back at Doomsday, then stopped doing once she realised it was absorbing the energy to grow stronger and instead switched to her sword & shield ?

I can't speak as much to Justice League since honestly, that whole movie is an indistinct blur to me. Surprising how fast it faded from memory to be honest, but regardless, if there's any incongruity there, then that's JL's problem, not WW's.
 
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Reverend said:
You mean besides the part where she clearly flew down from the sky to save Bruce from the heat blast, or how she deflected said blast with pulsating white energy from her bracers? Or how she then projected an energy blast of her own right back at Doomsday, then stopped doing once she realised it was absorbing the energy to grow stronger and instead switched to her sword & shield ?

I can't speak as much to Justice League since honestly, that whole movie is an indistinct blur to me. Surprising how fast it faded from memory to be honest, but regardless, if there's any incongruity there, then that's JL's problem, not WW's.
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It shows a distinct lack of effort and continuity within the DCEU. They haven't even explained where she got a sword that could cut Doomsday in BvS when she ended WW without a sword, why she couldn't redirect Doomsdays' own blast right back at him the way she did to Ares (Doomsdays' own energy would've hurt him, for one thing) and why she could destroy the stuff Ares flung at her with an invisible forcefield but she couldn't do the same thing to Steppenwolf's Axe....or why she could cut Doomsday but she couldn't chop off Steppenwolf's hand (or head), especially as he wasn't armored around his hands or neck. Nor was he as fast or strong as Doomsday.
 
Anwar said:
They haven't even explained where she got a sword that could cut Doomsday in BvS when she ended WW without a sword
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Why would they need to do that exactly? A century has passed; that's *ample* time for her to find another sword, particularly since we see that in present day, her day job specifically relates to the curation (and possibly acquisition?) of antiques and ancient artefacts.

Besides, the WW sequel is set to take place at some point between these two movies (1980's IIRC?) so I'm sure we'll see her with a new sword there. And if they don't bother explaining exactly how she got it, or if it's not the exact same sword she'll have in BvS: so what? It's really not that important.
Are you really so bereft of imagination that you need to be spoon-fed such utterly inconsequential plot points? How are you also not baffled by Batman having a different suit in JL? Did they show in excruciating detail every step of the process of him designing and building the new one? Or for that matter where did Bruce Wayne get all those suits from anyway!? We never saw him go shopping once! :lol:

Anwar said:
why she couldn't redirect Doomsdays' own blast right back at him the way she did to Ares
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As I already explained, this is directly addressed in the movie. "That things seems to feed on energy" Or words to that effect.
Anwar said:
(Doomsdays' own energy would've hurt him, for one thing)
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Exactly what are you basing that wildly presumptuous assertion on? I mean if nothing else, the blast certainly didn't do it any noticeable harm it was shooting out of it's skull.
Anwar said:
but she couldn't do the same thing to Steppenwolf's Axe
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Again, that's a JL problem, not a WW problem.
Anwar said:
or why she could cut Doomsday but she couldn't chop off Steppenwolf's hand (or head)
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Apples and oranges. Steppenwolf isn't a mutant, reanimated kryptonian corpse and Doomsday isn't a New God of Apokolips. You can't assume either should behave the same way.
 
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Reverend said:
Why would they need to do that exactly?
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Because weapons that can easily damage Kryptonians can't be that easy to come across...even if it turned out to not be effective on Steppenwolf.

How are you also not baffled by Batman having a different suit in JL?
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We saw Alfred working on it in BvS, IIRC.

Exactly what are you basing that wildly presumptuous assertion on? I mean if nothing else, the blast certainly didn't do it any noticeable harm it was shooting out of it's skull.
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Superman did his best to avoid Zod's heat vision in MOS, meaning Kryptonians can be hurt by each others' Heat Vision. By that logic, Doomsday's own energy reflected should damage himself.

Again, that's a JL problem, not a WW problem
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It shows the utter lack of planning and continuity.

Apples and oranges. Steppenwolf isn't a mutant, reanimated kryptonian corpse
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He is clearly weaker than a normal Kryptonian in every way, though. Which means what damages a being stronger than a Kryptonian should damage him too.

Set Harth said:
You seem to have missed the point of the whole "Godkiller" thing in WW.

The power was in her, not the sword.
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Which doesn't change that she was less effective against Steppenwolf than Ares and Doomsday, despite both being stronger than him.
 
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