WOK Remastered...

[stonester1]

There's that recent bulletin about Myer talking about TWOK getting remastered, and how he wouldn't want to see it. Who's talking about remastering this? I just watched the film two days ago and it's amazing how well it's SFX hold up. They are terrific, why would anyone want to touch a thing?

I'm askin'...

 

[benny]

Why would anyone want to add to the original Star Wars trilogy? Why would anyone want to redo ALL the effects for TOS? Why would we want only one version (a redone version) of ST I out there?

It's all corporate profits, that's it.

 

[Ward Fowler]

yep

 

[Q2UnME]

I would expect that the reason for remastering WOK would be the same as the Remastered TOS episodes - - eventual HD broadcast and BlueRay/HD-DVD video releases. Since WOK was shown in theaters, good 35mm prints may exist making the HD transfer relatively simple without alterations. 35mm film has more information than the HD format. If the VFX hold up on the "film" they should look just as good in HD format.

As for the George Lucas "additions", well, they should leave WOK alone. It's fine just the way it is.

Q2UnME

 

[WalkinMan]

Minor cleanup is all that I can think of. As for the TOS films, I would say only slight parts of TMP, maybe.

But the only film that really needs new EFX is TFF. But then again, why not redo the whole story while you're at it.

 

[Flake]

Leave TWOK alone.

I personally think they should release un-altered, cleaned up versions of all the movies in a special ultimate edition set, including TMP. Just release the original theatrical cut in all cases.

The only movie that would benefit from having new VFX is The Final Frontier, but even then they must release an ul-altered version as well.

 

[Adagio]

To be honest, TFF should just be retconned and forgotten. Just my two cents.

 

[Tosk]

Objectively speaking, there are a few minor shots in WoK that could stand to be redone.

The waterfall matte painting could be replaced, the zoom in on the non-matching Chekov ear could be tweaked a tad, and all the matte work can be fixed on the starship shots. (Especially the shots where you can see right through the Reliant's nacelles.)

Hell, even erase the spacedock dude so that it's not so obviously a TMP shot.

There are always possibilities for respectful improvement.

 

[Christopher]

For the nth time, "remastering" DOES NOT mean "creating new special effects." It means going back to the original master print of a film and making new copies directly from it, rather than copying from lower-quality copies. The parts of TOS Remastered with new digital effects are the only parts that are NOT remastered, because they are newly created rather than being taken from the original master film print. Recreating a scene from scratch is the exact opposite of remastering it, so this pervasive misuse of the term since TOS-R came along is completely ridiculous (especially considering that the term "remastered" was in common use for decades before TOS-R came along, so you'd think people would remember that).

Just about every new DVD release of any film is remastered, if its creators have any regard for quality. Talking about remastering and talking about creating new effects are two entirely unrelated discussions. I'm very disappointed in TrekToday for perpetuating this gross abuse of what should be a well-known term.

 

[stonester1]

Ok, "remastering" then, good thing. On the special effect tip, I'm only saying, just what would you want to improve in the space battle SFX in TWOK? They are brilliant as they are.

TOS SFX? Products of their time, but clearly could use some improvement. HOWEVER, I'm glad that the originals are still and will still be available. I plan on owning both copies.

I also picked up the Star Wars DVDs that had both versions of the SFX. Though Lucas shot himself in the foot by trying to disavow the originals. I mean, come on...

 

[Tosk]

Christopher said:
For the nth time, "remastering" DOES NOT mean "creating new special effects."

Fair call and all, but Meyer was talking about being opposed to adding/changing shots, so the discussion so far is perfectly valid. It's just one misused word in the grand scheme.

 

[Holytomato]

new SFX: :applause:

add Star Trek: First Contact warping, and shield flares.

 

[CoveTom]

Tosk said:
It's just one misused word in the grand scheme.

True, but something like one misused word in the grand scheme is the kind of thing great debates are made of on this board.

 

[Tosk]

CoveTom said:
True, but something like one misused word in the grand scheme is the kind of thing great debates are made of on this board.

Verily.

 

[Vulcanian]

Unlike popular opinion

I thought the SFX looked chessy. I've been wanted a remastering of it ever since.

 

[guardian]

There could redo the 'new in 1982' effects shot for shot to eliminate the 'see-through' shots, etc.

Redo the cave--which Meyer always disliked.

And lastly, perhaps redo the 'reused TMP' shots which would have been different if they had had a larger FX budget anyway in 1092.

But redoing the FX from scratch--no way.

 

[SmoothieX]

And lastly, perhaps redo the 'reused TMP' shots which would have been different if they had had a larger FX budget anyway in 1092.

Well yeah, and besides what kinda FX did you have to work with in 1092 anyway. Maybe a wig? fake sword?

Certainly nothing that would do a space battle justice.

 

[Tosk]

guardian said:
There could redo the 'new in 1982' effects shot for shot to eliminate the 'see-through' shots, etc.
Redo the cave--which Meyer always disliked.
And lastly, perhaps redo the 'reused TMP' shots

So basically, all the things I mentioned then?

 

[WalkinMan]

I'm still amazed they made the cinematic-quality EFX that the did, and all for a budget less than TMP...

And yes, if a Special Edition were made, an enhanced Genesis Cave would help.

 

[Oso Blanco]

I'd say put back the line about Saavik being half Romulan, but other than that ... leave that movie alone!