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Wild Cards - TV Project from GRRM

Hugo Rune

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.... or "How to Procrastinate and Not Finish Your Opus"

So George RR Martin has taken his longest running property, Wild Cards, a series of books, comics and games, running since 1986, and has convinced Universal Cable Productions to put it out as a TV show.

I've never read the series, or anything to do with it, but Martin describes it as "The shared world of the Wild Cards diverged from our own on September 15, 1946 when an alien virus was released in the skies over Manhattan, and spread across an unsuspecting Earth. Of those infected, 90 percent died horribly, drawing the black queen, 9 percent were twisted and deformed into jokers, while a lucky 1 percent became blessed with extraordinary and unpredictable powers and became aces. The world was never the same.”

He has an old writing partner, Melinda Snodgrass (who wrote some of the Wild Cards books), on-board Exec Producing along with Gregory Noveck.

Now, I'm down with some more Martin on screen, but my concern is Martin loves to promote, tour and talk about his productions and, right now, the completely selfish part of me wants him to focus on finishing A Song of Ice and Fire before I die. Martin in fact stepped away from GoT after season 4 to refocus his efforts on the books, but going by current interviews, he is still struggling wrapping up Winds of Winter.

So, oddly, my enthusiasm for this is inversely proportional to the volume of GRRM's involvement. Typically, the more a creator is involved in an adaptation of their work, the more interested I become. Yet, in this case, I'm all for letting others to continue to play in his sandbox, so he can focus on sitting in the corner and completing his massive sandcastle.

With Snodgrass at the helm this could be interesting as over 30 people have contributed to the world building so far. It would be fascinating if there was no specific delineated writing team, but these contributors (under Snodgrass' direction) revisiting, revising and forwarding their work on the series previously. There have been some strong contributors who would be fun to see bring their work to the screen

Snodgrass herself was one of the main editors of the series and, as many of you may recall, was a contributor to TNG (main writing room staff in S2-3) - some times brilliant, some times... not so much:

The High Ground - interesting if a little heavy handed
The Ensigns of Command - Fair
Up the Long Ladder - oh dear
Pen Pals - bit of a soft spot here
The Measure of a Man - classic

She also wrote and produced on Profiler and Odyssey 5, but nothing since, focusing on her Novel career.

Anyone care?

Edited for Source: http://www.ew.com/article/2016/08/07/george-rr-martin-wild-cards

Hugo - tell me, tell me, tell me
 
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I've never read any of the books, but it does sound interesting.
The article I read on Comic Book Resources said that due to a deal he has with HBO GRRM won't be involved with Wild Cards, and also because he wants to focus on The Winds of Winter.
 
I have the Wild Card series ready to read at some point, so I am interested.. I might be more or less interested once I actually start reading the series

I'd like to see him finish Winds of Winter first, though hearing about this does remind me of an exchange from iZombie - “Clive, what is George R.R. Martin doing right now?” “NOT. WRITING.”:lol:
 
I've never read any of the books, but it does sound interesting.
The article I read on Comic Book Resources said that due to a deal he has with HBO GRRM won't be involved with Wild Cards, and also because he wants to focus on The Winds of Winter.
That's interesting and good to know.

Given GRRM has stated in the article above that there are possibilities of "Shared Universe" within Wild Cards, along with MGM picking up JMS' Rising Stars Series (for a Trilogy of films hoping to spin out into a Shared Universe), Marvel and DC going gangbusters on both theatrical and TV fronts with their shared multiverses, who else is going to throw down with a long ranging, multi-series super-hero format to help fill the airwaves?

Hugo - will there ever be too much?
 
Didn't somebody pick up the rights to the Valiant comics a year or two ago?
 
I read the first 10 or so Wildcards books, they were pretty good and would work well in a tv format.
 
I read quite a few when they first came out. Probably still have them somewhere. They could be uneven, not unexpected given the shared universe format. Very much in tune with the "grim and gritty" tone of 80's comics.
 
Wild Cards was pioneering in its day as a gritty, mature, deconstructive take on superheroes, but I'm concerned that today's audiences might find it just more of the same stuff they've already seen in various films and shows, like the Watchmen movie (and Snyder's other DC films), Powers, or even Heroes in some ways. I guess Martin's name alone would draw in viewers, though.
 
Considering the project is with Universal Cable Productions I imagine this will probably end up airing on either USA or Syfy. Syfy seems ideal after the turnaround they've shown in these past couple of years with their productions.

I do wonder if the show will actually be a period piece, since the timeline in the books was always moving forward (which is something I really like about it). It might be awkward to set it in the modern era, 70 years after the wild card virus first appeared.
 
Considering the project is with Universal Cable Productions I imagine this will probably end up airing on either USA or Syfy. Syfy seems ideal after the turnaround they've shown in these past couple of years with their productions.

I would've thought they'd want to go with HBO or Netflix or something so they could be as adult as the show GRRM is famous for. I remember the books dealing with fairly adult themes, like the multiple-personality shapeshifter whose transformations were triggered by recreational drugs ("Captain Trips").
 
I would've thought they'd want to go with HBO or Netflix or something so they could be as adult as the show GRRM is famous for. I remember the books dealing with fairly adult themes, like the multiple-personality shapeshifter whose transformations were triggered by recreational drugs ("Captain Trips").
IIRC, a few of the characters are outright criminals.
 
The best hope is they don't try to make this a superhero story.
Wild Cards was pioneering in its day as a gritty, mature, deconstructive take on superheroes, but I'm concerned that today's audiences might find it just more of the same stuff they've already seen in various films and shows, like the Watchmen movie (and Snyder's other DC films), Powers, or even Heroes in some ways. I guess Martin's name alone would draw in viewers, though.
I think the strongest cinematic potential in the property is as a character drama set around Jokertown rather than a superhero serial. The stakes don't have to be any higher than the lives of these human "wild cards" and the place they're trying to make a home for their kind among the rest of humanity. What happens if you take some version of New York that never grew out of the decay of the late 20th century and inject a borough full of mutants and metahumans?
 
Bring on Typhoid Croid!
I want me some Astronomer! :)

But Croyd Crenson will probably be an instant breakout character, as he was in the books. Leave to the great Roger Zelazny to create the biggest winner of a character in popularity. I always loved how Zelazny took the idea of one or a few powers allotted to an Ace and said, "nope, I want 'em all, here's how."

I've read them all except Fort Freak. I would say 85% fantastic, 15% meh. Basically I loved the series.

If they follow the books and let the whole first season revolve around introductions + the fight against the Egyptian-rite "Masons" and the Swarm invasion, it could be tight and good. Although Puppetman would be timely and topical (although Trump is no Puppetman!).

This is my second-favorite shared-universe series, after the Damned Saga (CJ Cherryh and Janet Morris), which I am afraid is probably too filled with visual awfulness for even modern tv to ever be produced.


The best hope is they don't try to make this a superhero story.

I think the strongest cinematic potential in the property is as a character drama set around Jokertown rather than a superhero serial. The stakes don't have to be any higher than the lives of these human "wild cards" and the place they're trying to make a home for their kind among the rest of humanity. What happens if you take some version of New York that never grew out of the decay of the late 20th century and inject a borough full of mutants and metahumans?

Generally my least favorite aspect, although I do like it when Yeoman (a Nat) is doing his thing in Jokertown. What I would hope is that they just ignore the entire Blaise storyline. I really hated that, except for the book set on Takis. The Rox was, for the most part, wild and I liked it, and I did like the Jumpers.

The later Card Sharks storyline is good, but maybe by now the idea is too overdone.

.... or "How to Procrastinate and Not Finish Your Opus"

The undisputed king of Not Finishing is, I think, David Gerrold for the War Against the Chtorr, which has been promised to be finished for, oh, the last 20 years at least, and which I now know we will never see, alas. Sometimes I just want to yell at that guy. (Edited to add: well wonder of wonders we supposedly do have a firm release date of Sept 2016 for A Method for Madness. The end times are upon us, seriously, I think this may be one of the 7 signs or something.)
 
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It doesn't need to exclusively deal with it, but as a starting point for a TV show it makes the most sense to me. Start small, build to the greater world from there.
 
It doesn't need to exclusively deal with it, but as a starting point for a TV show it makes the most sense to me. Start small, build to the greater world from there.
I know I would like to see (ha!) a fair amount with Chrysalis, yes. The Crystal Palace would be a natural story-generating device, like being able to go back again and again to the Mos Eisley cantina. I say Claudia Black to play Chrysalis. :)


This guy is the perfect Astronomer:

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The best hope is they don't try to make this a superhero story.

I think the strongest cinematic potential in the property is as a character drama set around Jokertown rather than a superhero serial. The stakes don't have to be any higher than the lives of these human "wild cards" and the place they're trying to make a home for their kind among the rest of humanity. What happens if you take some version of New York that never grew out of the decay of the late 20th century and inject a borough full of mutants and metahumans?

Except that's also a type of story that's been told many times, whether about people with superpowers (X-Men, The 4400, Alphas) or alien refugees (Alien Nation, Star-Crossed). Wild Cards could certainly work as an effective take on the premise if it were well-done, but the key would lie in the execution, since the concept is not as novel as it was 30 years ago.
 
I would actually use Croyd as the framing device for moving around to different periods in time. He could narrate such as, " I woke up in 1953 with wings and headache, the papers were plastered with images of Tachyon and Marilyn Munroe dating....."
 
Except that's also a type of story that's been told many times, whether about people with superpowers (X-Men, The 4400, Alphas) or alien refugees (Alien Nation, Star-Crossed). Wild Cards could certainly work as an effective take on the premise if it were well-done, but the key would lie in the execution, since the concept is not as novel as it was 30 years ago.
X-Men, at least in the films and cartoons, hasn't really delved that far into the societal implications of a world full of mutants, and my brief experience with the other shows you mention never struck me as particularly deep on that front either. It isn't just a question of making another racism analogy, but specifically telling a story of a world where these mutated and superpowered people (and the virus that could take anyone and either kill or mutate them at any moment) have simply become a fact of life. How would that have changed the 20th century and what does the 21st look like with them in it, four or five generations later?

It isn't mutants on the run from their conspiratorial creators, or some hidden faction of metahumans trying to figure out their purpose, or the great messianic martyrs of mutantdom trying to prove their worth through heroics; but average people with average people (or the TV version of them) hopes and dreams and plans and flaws who happen to wake up one day having pulled one card or the other and having to go on with the repercussions and make a life for themselves anyways.

In that world you can tell any story you want to.
 
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