Why didn't Beyond do better at the Box Office?

[M.A.C.O.]

From what I understand, Paramount decided not to push for the 50th anniversary thing because they didn't want to potentially scare away younger audiences. Remember, their advertising of the 2009 film was "Not Your Father's Star Trek", which to me has always suggested something of the studio not being proud of their earlier films. Maybe that's a cynical viewpoint, but since they didn't push for the 50th anniversary angle...

Meanwhile, Star Wars will proudly celebrate its 40th anniversary, as Disney loves celebrating anniversaries and making their stuff look like legacies that generations love, not just catering to one demographic.

Wow, really? I was just about to remark that I didn't recall seeing any push for this being Trek's big 50th, like the BBC did for Doctor Who. Why didn't they play up the 50th? This was something to be proud of. STB is something to be proud of. TPTB really shot themselves in the foot this time.

 

[Trekkin]

Paramount decided not to push for the 50th anniversary thing because they didn't want to potentially scare away younger audiences. Remember, their advertising of the 2009 film was "Not Your Father's Star Trek", which to me has always suggested something of the studio not being proud of their earlier films. Maybe that's a cynical viewpoint, but since they didn't push for the 50th anniversary angle...

linky?

 

[Admiral Bear]

For people believing/hoping that China will save Beyond.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37042191

 

[Shadowknight1]

For people believing/hoping that China will save Beyond.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37042191

Wait wait wait wait...ticket sales are down, but the ticket PRICES are also going down?!

Okay, seriously, WHAT THE ACTUAL @#*$ American theaters?! Attendance to our theaters is low, but they RAISE the prices instead of lowering them!

 

[RAMA]

Well true, though I could divide that into Hemsworth being popular in Hollywood circles..his role as George Kirk got him noticed, which led to his hiring on Thor, and he's actually had other lead roles from that which weren't as popular. But regardless, the original point is that Hemsworth is well-recognized by audiences.

Probably truer to say "Thor is popular".


My god she is annoying.

I've noticed that you have that reaction to American women in youtube videos. Do you find US women annoying in general?? I don't find her the slightest bit annoying, but this new predilection for posting amateur reviews and especially trailer reviews is really amusing to me.

 

[eyeresist]

I've noticed that you have that reaction to American women in youtube videos. Do you find US women annoying in general??

Really? Wow.

 

[RAMA]

Warcraft had a budget of $160 million, and grossed $430 million world wide and will still loose money. Beyond is in worse shape even.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/07...-will-lose-even-with-massive-success-in-china

Everyone likes to think that the formula for these movies is the same for every movie and every studio and it just isn't. We have no idea exactly how or when it will turn a profit. We can speculate, and for example, I speculate the Alibaba deal Paramount struck will keep Paramount itself from losing any money on Beyond.

Also, studios are well known to use creative accounting to show a movie made no profit to keep from paying people and companies they owe money to, so often the real revenue and profit is obscured.

My guess: $300 million box office(conservative) for Beyond. It'll make another $150-200 million or so from other sources (not counting the small amount of merchandising we've seen), including disc sales, streaming, airing rights, etc. It should easily make a profit. Paramount has stated ALL Trek movies have made a profit except Nemesis individually(remember the people saying STID didn't make a profit? paramount put that to rest), and the movie franchise as a whole has more than doubled it's collective budget in revenue.

RAMA

 

[RAMA]

Good news everyone! Maybe this means the home video release will be bumped up a month or two.

Well it won't be till after it opens in Japan, and that's October 21st.

RAMA

 

[Hartzilla2007]

He said including. He also listed examples from real life. Read the full post before you post a reply.

Which were all just butthurt bitching on the internet.

 

[Kelthaz]

Which were all just butthurt bitching on the internet.

Simon Pegg and Justin Lin were doing butthurt bitching on the iternet?

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Simon Pegg and Justin Lin were doing butthurt bitching on the iternet?

No they were responding to it. Which is probably a mistake becuase they still bitch at you if you try to appease them, hardcore trekkies are assholes like that.

 

[Admiral Bear]

A valid point, especially in London where tickets can cost £12 each before you buy expensive snacks and drinks. Its a lot for a family of four.

£12 is pretty standard across the whole of the UK, especially now since Odeon hike up the prices for any film it deems to be "big". I was charged just under £12 to see Spectre last October at a provincial Odeon, as far away from London has you can get. It was a Friday showing about 1pm, in a standard seat, so not even peak hours. I was agog and nearly walked out. I should've. Film was shite.

It's no wonder people wait 4 months to download the Blu-ray rip for free. Since most small independent UK cinemas have gone to the wall, if you don't live in a large town or city, chances are you won't even have a decent cinema much within an hour's drive.

 

[Admiral Bear]

No they were responding to it. Which is probably a mistake becuase they still bitch at you if you try to appease them, hardcore trekkies are assholes like that.

If you'd read Pegg's blog before large parts of it were sanitised, you'd have seen some things written by him which were inexcusable and, in the current climate, bordering on a hate crime. The rest of it was just made up deliberately offensive shite to try and justify what he'd done.

 

[fireproof78]

If you'd read Pegg's blog before large parts of it were sanitised, you'd have seen some things written by him which were inexcusable and, in the current climate, bordering on a hate crime. The rest of it was just made up deliberately offensive shite to try and justify what he'd done.

"Hate crime?" Really?

Also, it's Simon Pegg. He obviously gets a pass while Orci would have gotten demonized for the next hundred years.

The internet is crazy.

 

[John Clark]

£12 is pretty standard across the whole of the UK, especially now since Odeon hike up the prices for any film it deems to be "big". I was charged just under £12 to see Spectre last October at a provincial Odeon, as far away from London has you can get. It was a Friday showing about 1pm, in a standard seat, so not even peak hours. I was agog and nearly walked out. I should've. Film was shite.

It's no wonder people wait 4 months to download the Blu-ray rip for free. Since most small independent UK cinemas have gone to the wall, if you don't live in a large town or city, chances are you won't even have a decent cinema much within an hour's drive.

The cinema we visit varies between just over a third of that to half depending on what showing you go to. That probably explains why we go as much as we do. - That cinema did kill off one of our local Odeons though. (I should note that the other Odeon nearby and Vue are considerably more expensive)

If we had to pay £12 a go, we just wouldn't bother either.

 

[Admiral Bear]

"Hate crime?" Really?

Also, it's Simon Pegg. He obviously gets a pass while Orci would have gotten demonized for the next hundred years.

The internet is crazy.

I've not read anything by Orci that's offensive. He's just a not very good writer. I don't particularly get the hate for him. Pegg is an offensive, heterophobic, homosexual obsessed, bigoted tool. I don't understand why you believe he gets a free pass for being the aforementioned. He probably believes gays can say whatever they like about the straight majority without fear of legal punishment, anything else resulting in the gay mafia screaming about their "rights". Problem is, he's correct about that.

If I went out in public and started telling gays that they're actually straight, I'd be charged with a hate crime by the police, taken to court, and probably jailed. But Pegg gets a free pass after saying all straight people are gay.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

I've not read anything by Orci that's offensive. He's just a not very good writer. I don't particularly get the hate for him. Pegg is an offensive, heterophobic, homosexual obsessed, bigoted tool. I don't understand why you believe he gets a free pass for being the aforementioned. He probably believes gays can say whatever they like about the straight majority without fear of legal punishment, anything else resulting in the gay mafia screaming about their "rights". Problem is, he's correct about that.

If I went out in public and started telling gays that they're actually straight, I'd be charged with a hate crime by the police, taken to court, and probably jailed. But Pegg gets a free pass after saying all straight people are gay.

Infraction for trolling. Comments to PM. This forum is not the place for you to work out your myriad issues with teh gayz. Get a blog or find a support group.

 

[Kemaiku]

The cinema we visit varies between just over a third of that to half depending on what showing you go to. That probably explains why we go as much as we do. - That cinema did kill off one of our local Odeons though. (I should note that the other Odeon nearby and Vue are considerably more expensive)

If we had to pay £12 a go, we just wouldn't bother either.

Seeing it in 3D at our local Odeon, with snacks and the full plastic frame 3D glasses cost me £11.70.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

I've noticed that you have that reaction to American women in youtube videos. Do you find US women annoying in general?? I don't find her the slightest bit annoying, but this new predilection for posting amateur reviews and especially trailer reviews is really amusing to me.

Let's keep the speculation about who he finds annoying to yourself super-sleuth. He's allowed to find an online reviewer annoying without you insinuating that it has something to do with her nationality.

 

[timtonruben359]

I've not read anything by Orci that's offensive. He's just a not very good writer. I don't particularly get the hate for him. Pegg is an offensive, heterophobic, homosexual obsessed, bigoted tool. I don't understand why you believe he gets a free pass for being the aforementioned. He probably believes gays can say whatever they like about the straight majority without fear of legal punishment, anything else resulting in the gay mafia screaming about their "rights". Problem is, he's correct about that.

If I went out in public and started telling gays that they're actually straight, I'd be charged with a hate crime by the police, taken to court, and probably jailed. But Pegg gets a free pass after saying all straight people are gay.

Wow, and Simon Pegg is the bigot? Really now!