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Why Did Scotty do that? (ST II)

This is correct. The writers clearly did not intend that Scotty's body was used by Redjack, as some people have claimed. Suits and audiences of the day wouldn't have allowed it.

Nevertheless, the end result leaves little possibility but that Scotty's hand was the one that stabbed the second victim.

I disagree. They made a point that Hengist was never around when a girl was killed. It was a typical whodunit of the day, in which the hero, for some incredibly stupid reason, grabs the murder weapon just as the lights come on. See North by Northwest. It was pretty much a screen convention at the time. Scotty's hand did not murder that girl. It simply wouldn't have been permitted to happen on tv at the time.
 
Or maybe the Bridge is on the way to Sickbay and Scotty didn't have the credentials to prevent a lift stop on the way, when the turbolift was called for by Admiral Kirk. That's the ticket. :techman:

Heck, I love it when the turbolift knows exactly when to arrive. Not for the sake of speed, no, but if there needs to be a dramatic pause or a scene of uneasy tension, the lift will know to open its doors after the pause!
 
We do have to factor in that the things that happened in ST2 were "unnecessary" in so many ways. This wasn't a combat mission where Peter Preston had sworn to die for king and country (or whatever their equivalents in the late 23rd century). This was a joyride to celebrate Kirk's birthday

Peter Preston was training for life on a Starfleet vessel. Sure, its primary purpose was peaceful exploration, but it could be called into combat at any time.
 
It simply wouldn't have been permitted to happen on tv at the time.

I'm not sure we should feel constrained by that. After all, "at the time", the hero of the show couldn't have sired and abandoned a child (unless he was amnesia-zapped by a giant alien obelisk, that is). But the same movie that shows us the distraught Scotty also reveals that Kirk had done exactly that dastardly deed, well before TOS. What would 1950s movie sensibilities have said about that? ;)

Peter Preston was training for life on a Starfleet vessel. Sure, its primary purpose was peaceful exploration, but it could be called into combat at any time.

Granted. However, what happened in ST2 wouldn't have happened without Kirk's involvement - and damningly, Kirk's involvement here wasn't quite the sort of thing Peter Preston was training for, let alone something he should have been subjected to while training. Rather than protect Federation interests against bug-eyed or pointy-eared monsters or explore strange new worlds that look curiously like Paramount backlot, Kirk was making a trip of personal pleasure, then taking dangerous liberties with it. Combine this with the fact that he for once spectacularly failed to live up to his legendary reputation, and you could see anger mounting.

Timo Saloniemi
 
what happened in ST2 wouldn't have happened without Kirk's involvement - and damningly, Kirk's involvement here wasn't quite the sort of thing Peter Preston was training for

He was training to keep engines running on a starship, but would never face death?

Kirk was making a trip of personal pleasure, then taking dangerous liberties with it.

No he wasn't. Admirals would make inspection tours, just as district inspectors visit public schools to keep tabs on the students, teachers and principal..

Combine this with the fact that he for once spectacularly failed to live up to his legendary reputation, and you could see anger mounting.

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He was training to keep engines running on a starship, but would never face death?

It's not a matter of whether Peter Preston would "ever" face death (all of us do, eventually). It's a matter of whether Scotty would feel Peter Preston didn't need to face death that day, but did, due to Kirk's decisions. If, in Scotty's mind, it would hold true that substituting another commanding officer would leave Peter Preston alive, that would justify the scene. Scotty might have a legitimate basis for his misgivings (say, Starfleet regulations prohibit sending soldiers to their death before their basic training is completed, and Kirk thus violated regulations), or then just an emotional one (good Starfleet officers shouldn't send kids to die, and Kirk violated good manners), or even, and most probably, a nepotist one (good friends don't send the relatives of good friends to die, and Kirk violated that trust). Any of these would suffice for sending Scotty on a "I'd punch you in the face if not for this corpse on my arms" mission to the bridge.

A true military man would dress down Scotty in a minute and remind him of his duty as a soldier, I guess. Wouldn't make any difference as regards the scene, though.

No he wasn't. Admirals would make inspection tours, just as district inspectors visit public schools to keep tabs on the students, teachers and principal.

Whatever. Kirk was still making a trip of personal pleasure and then taking dangerous liberties with it, even if he had a formal excuse.

As for Kirk failing to live up to his reputation, well, he lost one. Got caught pants down. Shouldn't happen to heroes (even though it of course happened to the real Kirk many times before). More was definitely expected of him, regardless of whether the expectation was rational or not.

And to be sure, it was rational enough to expect Kirk to follow regulations that in this case would have saved lives. All the more so when Kirk was rusty from apparent lack of starshipboard service - something that would definitely come up in the court of inquiry.

Timo Saloniemi
 
No he wasn't. Admirals would make inspection tours, just as district inspectors visit public schools to keep tabs on the students, teachers and principal.
Whatever. Kirk was still making a trip of personal pleasure and then taking dangerous liberties with it, even if he had a formal excuse.
Timo, you're letting your robust cleverness run way ahead of the on-screen evidence here. Kirk is making an inspection tour when the movie gets under way, and all available evidence is that this is a perfectly reasonable and correct thing for the person overseeing training of a new crew to do. Granted Kirk probably takes more joy in this cruise being aboard the USS Enterprise than he would being aboard the USS Chuckles The Silly Piggy, but a ship of trainees going on a training voyage aboard a training ship is not a dangerous liberty.

As for the redirection of the ship to Regula: yes, you've argued that Kirk must have nagged Star Fleet into sending him instead of the mythical other ship in the quadrant. What we actually do know is that Star Fleet orders Kirk to take control of the ship, and Star Fleet orders Kirk to investigate Regula One. There's no evidence that Kirk did anything deliberate to get this assignment other than pass on Carol Marcus's confused message warning of danger. And unless Kirk were lying to Spock, Kirk did argue against the Enterprise being fit to handle investigating the ship because they did have only cadets aboard.

Note that Carol Marcus calls Kirk because she was told Kirk was taking over Genesis. And Marcus was told that because Khan had it in for Kirk. All this stuff dragging Kirk into the storyline came about without Kirk having anything to do with it (past leaving Khan fifteen years before).

And Kirk certainly can't have maneuvered the Enterprise to be in interception range on the guess that something might happen over Reliant's way: they were following a training cruise scheduled before Reliant even got to Ceti Alpha. (Kirk wouldn't have needed to maneuver the Enterprise to being nearby anyway: Ceti Alpha was near the spot where the Botany Bay was discovered -- and that ship was travelling by very early drives requiring years to travel between planets -- and Reliant was able to get to Regula in barely enough time for the Project Genesis crew to evacuate.)
 
Kirk is making an inspection tour when the movie gets under way, and all available evidence is that this is a perfectly reasonable and correct thing for the person overseeing training of a new crew to do. Granted Kirk probably takes more joy in this cruise being aboard the USS Enterprise than he would being aboard the USS Chuckles The Silly Piggy, but a ship of trainees going on a training voyage aboard a training ship is not a dangerous liberty.

Oh, the trip is certainly regulation-kosher and all that. It's just that it happens there and then specifically because Kirk wants to celebrate his birthday with his friends (including an old one made of duranium and tritanium) - which means that the mission is "Kirk's fault", in Scotty's eyes.

And the "dangerous liberty" is not the embarking on a training cruise. It is the turning of the training cruise into an operational sortie, for the apparent non-urgent goal of sorting out some strange bureaucratic problem the Admiral's old flame is having. of course, the liberty Kirk is truly taking is greater than that, as he apparently knows what Genesis is, and thus knows that the problem probably goes beyond bureaucracy and random comm troubles.

As for the redirection of the ship to Regula: yes, you've argued that Kirk must have nagged Star Fleet into sending him instead of the mythical other ship in the quadrant. What we actually do know is that Star Fleet orders Kirk to take control of the ship, and Star Fleet orders Kirk to investigate Regula One. There's no evidence that Kirk did anything deliberate to get this assignment other than pass on Carol Marcus's confused message warning of danger.

But how would Scotty see it? Scotty doesn't know Genesis is Armageddon. Scotty thinks Kirk is running to chat with Carol Marcus while Scotty's little people fix her subspace transmitter. When that mission turns to mayhem, Scotty has a legitimate reason to be angry - at the mayhem itself, at the secrecy, at the deliberate putting of the cadets to that secret danger.

And Kirk certainly can't have maneuvered the Enterprise to be in interception range on the guess that something might happen over Reliant's way: they were following a training cruise scheduled before Reliant even got to Ceti Alpha.

To nitpick, the cruise wasn't exactly scheduled timewise, as it came as a seeming delightful surprise to Scotty. And it wasn't exactly scheduled coursewise, as Sulu was told to indulge himself.

Kirk wouldn't have needed to maneuver the Enterprise to being nearby anyway: Ceti Alpha was near the spot where the Botany Bay was discovered -- and that ship was travelling by very early drives requiring years to travel between planets -- and Reliant was able to get to Regula in barely enough time for the Project Genesis crew to evacuate.

The details of this could be argued, as the movie does insist that all the elements were out in the sticks and outside the range of a timely cavalry charge from Earth or from some other UFP asset. And specifically since the Botany Bay cannot have gotten very far from Earth (about 100-150 lightyears at .45 c would nicely provide the time dilation that turns the closer to three centuries into the closer to two that "Space Seed" and ST2 dialogue insists on), this situation must be viewed as something of a coincidence or contrivance.

We know the sublight ship was off the beaten path. We have a reason to think Ceti Alpha was also off the beaten path, although Kirk may also have made a significant warp jump between the site of discovery and the site of banishment. And it seems Regula is relatively close to Ceti Alpha, although not so close that it would have been the first target of the Reliant on their apparently long and boring hunt for a suitably lifeless world.

The Federation probably also deliberately placed the Regula One laboratory off the beaten path, of course, knowing what the Marcuses were doing. Which raises the question: was Kirk's ship really the closest - or just the closest ship that could be trusted with the volatile secret?

Secrecy and lying is the underlying theme of the encounter with Khan. The original banishment remained a secret, embittering Khan. Genesis was a secret, too, as were its associated risks. This combination of cabals was intimately tied to Kirk, and came as a rude surprise to many, but Scotty really got the worst of it. He didn't deserve that, and neither did Peter Preston, which still makes me think Scotty would have been acting completely in character when coming to accuse Kirk of the death of his nephew (or even of his favorite apprentice, if we deny the familial relationship).

Timo Saloniemi
 
To nitpick, the cruise wasn't exactly scheduled timewise, as it came as a seeming delightful surprise to Scotty.

Where are you getting that from? I saw nothing on screen like that.
Besides, Scotty of all people had to know in advance. You don't just turn the ignition and head out, ya know.
 
Well, Doohan does give his "Aye!" all the wide-eyed surprise that he can muster...

OTOH, none of the preceding dialogue suggests that a cruise would be upcoming. Kirk's personal guests (Sulu, possibly also McCoy and Uhura) may be in on the plan, but Kirk wouldn't feel a need to inform Scotty or Spock of it in advance.

And there shouldn't be a need to know in advance, really. There should merely be full preparedness to act, which would be the very point of the inspection. Nine inspections out of ten would end after the inspector decided the preparedness existed; actually putting the preparedness to use would be a rare event.

Timo Saloniemi
 
I guess that's a valid interpretation as well. But the cruise seems to come as a surprise to others, too. Remember how Kirk originally goes with the pretense "I hate inspections!", followed by Sulu's innocent rebuttal, as if he weren't aware that the visit is going to be much more than just an inspection tour. Nothing suggests Sulu would be expecting to get to fly the ship, as opposed to just being aboard her.

Timo Saloniemi
 
And yet Sulu doesn't react with surprise or glee to Kirk's line about "I'll be glad to have you at the helm. I don't think these kids can steer."

Sorry, but I just find it very, very hard to buy into this "pleasure cruise gone awry" theory of yours.
 
Nothing suggests Sulu would be expecting to get to fly the ship, as opposed to just being aboard her.

Yeah, nothing except Kirk saying that he's happy to have Sulu at the helm for two weeks, which is his response to Sulu saying how happy he is to be going aboard the Big E again.
 
From one draft of the script:
The turbo doors whoosh open as Kirk reaches them.
Scotty stands there, tears streaming down his face;
he holds the body of Midshipman Preston. Both of them
are covered in blood. He sways into Kirk's arms as
the others rush forward.

It sure reads like he's stunned and off-balance, but I have a hard time believing he got in the lift and said "bridge" (or pushed that button).
 
Didn't the novel (which contained story elements not shown but nonetheless behind the onscreen events) say that the lift had been summoned to the bridge, and any other commands it'd been given had been over-ridden by the command from the bridge?

It was either the novel or a comment by someone who worked on the movie that gave this explanation.
 
Here's another possible interpretation:

Peter asked to see Admiral Kirk one more time, and Scotty took him to the bridge to honor his last request. McCoy thought there was more of a chance for Peter's survival than Scotty did, so they went straight to the operating room to try to save Peter's life.
 
I think Scotty went to the bridge for no other reason than the director wanted that scene for some directorial reason that has completey escaped me, and anything else is pure rationalization. As is this whole "Kirk's pleasure trip" bait (but it was successful in reeling a few in). Same reason for having to pull up grates so that a photon torpedo can s-l-o-w-l-y be placed on then moved down a trolley and only then, loaded into a tube. Some things are "pure movie" without really making any sense ('I want action here,' 'I want blood there,' etc).
 
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