Except when it.
“Claims”? Was she lying?
No she wasn't, sorry if my wording made it seem that way
Retcon it that Leondegrance’s initial claim to fame was its discovery of a chain of ancient Iconian portals leading from the Milky Way to the SMG, which Starfleet subsequently authorized it to explore; problem solved.
Portals or other phenomena. I still like the idea that the way TOS Enterprise could quickly reach the edge or center of the Galaxy (and as a way to make up for canon problems with distances overall) is through its use of charted subspace highways (or rivers), maybe ones thought of as natural phenomena and a field of future science. Or who knows maybe the Progenitors built them—all part of the study.
TNG was the one that slowed warp speeds from what was in TOS. "That Which Survives" shows the 1701 going at 990.5 light years in 11 hours without any portals or corridors or whatever. At that speed, the center of the galaxy was entirely reachable (and in line with what we see in ST5). It's TNG and the rebooted slower warp scale that changed everything, was never acknowledged in-universe, and to which we still don't have any canon explanation for.
Newer Trek sped things up with super duper new drives. TOS was noted on VOY to have ships half as fast. That works for me.
That's not what the numbers onscreen say. 70 years for 70,000 light years for Voyager whereas TOS 1701 at 1,000 light years in 12 hours would've made the trip home from the Delta quadrant in circa 35 days.
Which is why they must have used a subspace superhighway or other phenomenon.
Spock was wrong when he described two planets in the same galaxy millions of light years apart. That’s being wrong. The idea here is to make things that aren’t fit.
That’s your interpretation, fine. How does it all fit together for you—without simply ignoring the parts you don’t like?
Spock was also undergoing regression to his barbaric Vulcan state when he said two planets were millions of light years apart.
Thing is, no one disagreed with him or Harry. In-universe, those statements are accurate.
I’m offering the corridors (and another posters gateways) as possible explanations. There aren’t ones onscreen because onscreen you’re just supposed to accept the statements at face value, incongruity (and physical unreality) be damned.
I would argue that the franchise itself is ignoring things it doesn't like and using "Temporal Wars" to do it. They didn't like the Eugenics Wars taking place in the 1990s despite most fans being sick of Khan and not demanding an explanation for the 1990s wars, and even a licensed novel trilogy by regular poster here Mr. Cox to explain the 1990s wars, and so they ignored the dialogue referring to 1990s Khan and used Temporal Wars to explain it.
They didn’t ignore the dialogue but added a new element to the story with the Temporal Cold War to change it. I’m sure one argument they might make is that *reality changed the dialogue when the 90’s came and went without anything resembling the world implied in-universe.
Yeah, I love visiting the TNG seasons 1-2 dimension, where the Klingons did recently join the Federation. …where we find out what “We are back” means (where ‘were’ they?), where we see the Jarada, and (speaking of) where the Borg are maybe insectoids??
Not in relation to going to the center of the galaxy, in ST5, no. Nor for getting to the galactic barrier either.
which, btw, was as stOOpid asit is now
It wasn't. They went to the center of the galaxy in TAS cartoon too. All the warp speeds shown in TOS (1,000 light years in 12 hours in "That Which Survives" for example) show that the center of the galaxy was reachable. There was absolutely no need to bring subspace corridors etc into it until TNG made warp speeds slower than what TOS stated. It doesn't seem like anyone's addressing the fact that TNG's new slower warp scale broke canon and are letting personal feelings about the quality of ST5 get in the way of that fact.
so why haven't the feds sent a purpossely rigged ship already? it's all about exploration after all-
