There's some dialogue about a barrier at the center of the galaxy (that wasn't mentioned in TAS). It does seem strange that the 1701-A was able to penetrate that barrier without issue. Must've been a recent technical advance that the Fed didn't test on the great barrier. It's unclear if they ever sent more ships to explore after Kirk presumably came back and told them how the god who lived in that area wasn't very nice.
Whatever happened to the characters after TUC/GEN?
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come on, expöoration dudes (no dudesses at that level in tos) have plans, too
Yeah it was stupid, and I knew that as a kid in the theater. If they can travel that far that fast, why isn’t the Federation in every corner of the galaxy? If not a single blob, lots of pockets everywhere in the disk of the galaxy and far outside it. Hell, the five year mission should have been getting to Andromeda and other galaxies nearby. It’s “only” 2.57 million light years away.
In Empire Strikes Back, we're told within hours of a presumed hyperspace jump by the Millennium Falcon (from the vicinity of the outer rim planet of Hoth) that it would be "on the other side of the galaxy by now". Yet other SW material show that the galaxy isn't entirely explored or occupied by the Empire/Republic. Keep in mind that Empire Strikes Back is considered one of the greatest films in the history of cinema, yet that stupidity you point out in ST5 is repeated line by line in ESB (worse even, other side of the galaxy is a good deal farther than center of the galaxy, and unlike ST5 where the timeframe of the journey isn't clear, it's clear that Vader's impatience meant Piett was giving that assessment within hours of the Falcon's presumed jump). I'm really thinking you guys' dislike of ST5 is having you be overly harsh of the travel time aspect in one movie and then letting it slide in another.
don't you think (if you were right of course) starfleet would have found a lot more interesting aliens to shoot at by now)
They're literally shooting at aliens every other week...
You lost me at “In Empire Strikes Back…” That’s one of the greatest popcorn movies of all time, not a documentary. Star Wars is space fantasy making few attempts to be realistic where fairy tale conflicts with reality. It’s trying to be epic and cinematic, “the laws of physics” be silent—or be spoil sports.
The ease and speed with which they arrived at the center of the entire galaxy in STV, barring any subspace highway or alien tech, makes the entire ‘enterprise’ of exploring the galaxy as they have been ridiculous. It was one of those artistic “asks” in the name of story over verisimilitude, and it failed to not be problematic for many of us fans because the movie ultimately wasn’t good enough to ignore it. It was symptomatic of the problems of the whole, rather than an endearing foible of an otherwise beloved tale.
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I have read debates between Star Trek fans and Star Wars fans over which franchise's characters and technology would win a war between them, and I have seen Star Wars fans argue that the fact that Star Wars ships can traverse the entire galaxy in reasonable amounts of time means that the hyperspace technology of Star Wars is much faster and superior to the warp drive technology of Star Trek. Keep in mind that in Star Wars it is literally a galactic empire. The empire rules the entire galaxy, and travel from one end of the galaxy/empire to the other is done routinely.
The other thing is that Empire Strikes Back is a much better movie than Star Trek V, so I suspect ESB will be given more leeway for errors.
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