Voyager On Blu-Ray

[Saxman1]

I've been away several months, so my apologies if this topic has been discussed to death, as I see it has with DS9. Are there any plans to release Voyager on Blu-Ray? I'd like to know before I start investing in the complete series DVD set. I have everything ST, mostly on BRD except Voyager.

I have to say, unfortunately, DS9 looks pretty bad on a wide screen HDTV.

Thanks and again my apologies if this has been discussed to death.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Someone knows the answer to this but it is not me.

 

[Praetorian]

Voyager being released on Blu-Ray is highly unlikely.

The TNG discs didn't sell well, and considering that it was a much more successful series, and that a Voyager HD remaster would probably be more expensive (due to all the CGI used), CBS has, most likely, no plans at all to proceed with such project.

Essentially, the same reasons why DS9 won't be released on Blu-Ray as well.

So it's probably better for you to buy the DVD.

Regarding the picture quality, Voyager DVD look better than DS9 ones, specially in the later seasons, but the quality still leaves much to be desired.

However, considering that there are no alternatives...

 

[TheGoodStuff]

I've been hoping against hope that DS9 and VOY will get the blu-ray treatment.

It just feels wrong having them be the only blu-ray gap in my collection [have all the others on DVD & Blu-ray].

 

[Sparkle Fabulosa]

After spending all that money on the DVDs, no way would I shell out extra for Blu-Rays.

 

[Catarina]

After spending all that money on the DVDs, no way would I shell out extra for Blu-Rays.

I sure as hell would if it meant the pixelation stops on wide screens.

 

[C. Cole-Chakotay]

Well, considering my TV is a 1993 19 inch model, DVD looks fine to me. By the way, my TV works great for what little I watch.

 

[Jeri]

The VOY Seven-season set was one of the best sellers for a long time in Trek at Amazon. People bought the hell out of it; I kept tabs. So I guess that could cut two ways: everybody has theirs already, or people love it enough to see it more beautiful. Honestly, my DVD's still look good on the 40" flat screen I use, upstairs in my Voyager cave.

 

[Lance]

It's probably never gonna happen, for the reasons Praetorian has mention. My advice to OP is go ahead and buy the DVDs.

 

[timtonruben359]

Voyager being upgraded to HD seem very unlikely. It's widely believed that upgrading Voyager and DS9 to HD would be very costly because of the show's use of CGI special effects. It's believed that most of the show's CGI elements have been lost or some that have survived might not hold up in HD. Much of the effects would have to be created from scratch.

Voyager was even more CGI dependent than DS9 as it switched to CGI in season 3 while Ds9 remained model based until it's 6th season. So it probably would cost more to upgrade.

It's been leaked that TNG's blu-ray sales were a disappointment, but that it's expected HD TNG will make a profit when as it airs in syndication. VOY and DS9 do not have the same syndication numbers as TNG and TOS.

 

[Relayer1]

DS9 and Voyager may (and it's only a remote 'may') get a cheap and cheerful upgrade to HD, but only by upscaling them and 'tweaking' the sharpness, contrast and colour.

There's no way whatsoever projected Bluray sales would justify taking it back to the film, rescanning it, recreating the effects and recompiling it like they did with TNG. The only real driver there is, is that HD versions may get picked up in thefuture for repeats, whereas the SD versions probably won't. Even that's a stretch.

If they did do an upscaled version for selling to rerun stations, it's still probably hoping for too much for them to issue them on disc.

I don't own VHS, DVD or Bluray versions of any Trek series, but will probably pick up the Bluray ones at some point.

As a Niner, it looks as if I'll have to admit defeat and get DS9 (and Voyager) on DVD. I just picked up the complete 10 season Stargate SG1 DVD box (again, it's not in HD) for £39 so that's about my target price point. I'm hardly encouraging further releases...

 

[Kor]

I would not want blu-rays that just had 480p source materials upscaled to 1080p.

In the ENT blu-rays, many effects shots were just upscaled from standard definition... and the difference is noticeable.

Kor

 

[Relayer1]

I would not want blu-rays that just had 480p source materials upscaled to 1080p.

In the ENT blu-rays, many effects shots were just upscaled from standard definition... and the difference is noticeable.

Kor

I would, if :

The upscaling and digital tweaking gave a better result than playing DVD's and the player upscaling them

And/Or

The Blurays were cheap / the same price as the DVD's.

 

[Kor]

^ I can agree with that on both points (especially the price, lol).

One example I can think of is the Stargate movie. The blu ray has the extended edition as the main feature, in fully-mastered HD glory.

The theatrical edition is also included, but as a 1080p render of an SD source. And I think it definitely looks better than playing a DVD and having your own consumer-level equipment do the upscaling.

Kor

 

[Catarina]

The sales were pitiful probably because it still airs and everything can be Netflix. So why spend $$ in a crap economy when there could be a new phone to buy? :-)

 

[Lance]

DS9 and Voyager may (and it's only a remote 'may') get a cheap and cheerful upgrade to HD, but only by upscaling them and 'tweaking' the sharpness, contrast and colour.

There's no way whatsoever projected Bluray sales would justify taking it back to the film, rescanning it, recreating the effects and recompiling it like they did with TNG. The only real driver there is, is that HD versions may get picked up in thefuture for repeats, whereas the SD versions probably won't. Even that's a stretch.

If they did do an upscaled version for selling to rerun stations, it's still probably hoping for too much for them to issue them on disc.

I don't own VHS, DVD or Bluray versions of any Trek series, but will probably pick up the Bluray ones at some point.

As a Niner, it looks as if I'll have to admit defeat and get DS9 (and Voyager) on DVD. I just picked up the complete 10 season Stargate SG1 DVD box (again, it's not in HD) for £39 so that's about my target price point. I'm hardly encouraging further releases...

It is worth noting that *IF* they did go this route with DS9 and VOY, there would still be an improvement over the DVDs -- because the DVD material had to be compressed from the broadcast originals -- but it wouldn't be a "night and day" comparison like the TNG sets are. Short of the color regrading etc, they wouldn't be able to get it much better than the 'broadcast tapes', but even something 'as broadcast' is still (marginally) better quality than what's on the DVDs, so long as the DVD video compression has been eliminated. Same goes for audio compression.

Whether even that little work is considered worth the production costs... well, that's the decision that CBS Digital would have to make.

 

[Relayer1]

From what you say, that's still at least two steps up in quality from the home DVD reproduction :

1. Using the uncompressed original recordings.
2. Using high end industry upscaling as opposed to consumer grade tech.
3. (Possible) I assume that the DVD's were probably produced from very low but not 1st Generation copies. Using the very best original source material should help.

You also have to take into account that digital 'tweaking' of colour, sharpness etc. may not actually improve the quality of reproduction, but it can APPEAR that way. Fooling the eye is fine by me - analysing frequencies and resolution is all well and good, but if it looks better to me, that's the main thing.

That would, coupled with sensible pricing, sell the Blurays to me.

 

[Mage]

For those complaining about DVDn quality on blurayplayers....

Basicly, modern tvs will also upscale a signal. So, if your player is set to upscale, and so is your tv, you're going to get a very ugly image. Try setting your blurayplayer to Native, or any setting meaning it won't upscale. This way, any enhancing will be only be done by the tv and should make for a better image.

 

[Squiggy]

A new Trek series will be on TV before this happens.

 

[Relayer1]

For those complaining about DVDn quality on blurayplayers....

Basicly, modern tvs will also upscale a signal. So, if your player is set to upscale, and so is your tv, you're going to get a very ugly image. Try setting your blurayplayer to Native, or any setting meaning it won't upscale. This way, any enhancing will be only be done by the tv and should make for a better image.

A new Trek series will be on TV before this happens.

What ? Before people reset their Bluray players ?