In the Nero prequel to ST XI, the Narada is shown encountering V'Ger and being drawn inside its cloud, eventually arriving at its core where the original probe is. Just how accurate is this? Given the Narada's huge size, would it be able to fit inside the cloud and enter V'Ger's inner core? The comic itself depicts the Narada as being quite small in comparison to V'Ger, but I'd like to hear the opinions of those who are maybe a little more in the know-how of such things.
V'Ger in NERO
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According to the TMP novelization, the V'Ger vessel is more than 75 kilometers long. The Narada is less than five miles long - it'd fit easily.
That said, Nero meeting V'Ger is one of the stupidest things in Trek history. IDW jumped the shark, in my eyes. I lost all faith in them.
That said, Nero meeting V'Ger is one of the stupidest things in Trek history. IDW jumped the shark, in my eyes. I lost all faith in them.
V'Ger's cloud is 2 AU in diameter (going by the Director's Cut), which is the same diameter as the Earth's orbit, 300,000 km. Fitting inside the cloud is not a problem.
According to the TMP novelization, V'Ger is 78 kilometers long, roughly the size of the island of Maui. The Narada's size is unclear but the estimates I can find are in the range of 5-6 miles = 8-10 km. So it's 10-12% the length of V'Ger, which means getting it inside would be a pretty tight squeeze. And I'm not sure it could fit through V'Ger's internal apertures/sphincters.
As for the plausibility of Nero meeting V'Ger, it didn't work for me at all. V'Ger didn't acknowledge the existence of humanoid life forms as people or respond to their agendas and priorities, so the idea that it would've reacted to Nero's overriding hatred and thus been inspired to help him out with some calculations is rather hard to credit. More realistically, V'Ger would've simply scanned and digitized the Narada and thus Vulcan would've been saved.
Also, where is the artistic merit in filling a comic with several pages that are just screencaps from a movie with drawings of the Narada pasted into them? At least give us new illustrations of V'Ger.
According to the TMP novelization, V'Ger is 78 kilometers long, roughly the size of the island of Maui. The Narada's size is unclear but the estimates I can find are in the range of 5-6 miles = 8-10 km. So it's 10-12% the length of V'Ger, which means getting it inside would be a pretty tight squeeze. And I'm not sure it could fit through V'Ger's internal apertures/sphincters.
As for the plausibility of Nero meeting V'Ger, it didn't work for me at all. V'Ger didn't acknowledge the existence of humanoid life forms as people or respond to their agendas and priorities, so the idea that it would've reacted to Nero's overriding hatred and thus been inspired to help him out with some calculations is rather hard to credit. More realistically, V'Ger would've simply scanned and digitized the Narada and thus Vulcan would've been saved.
Also, where is the artistic merit in filling a comic with several pages that are just screencaps from a movie with drawings of the Narada pasted into them? At least give us new illustrations of V'Ger.
The nu Trek comics have done some pretty odd and stupid things, but I think Nero meets V'Ger is probably the worst.
I would say so.
I'm surprised about the generally negative judgment of Nero's encounter with V'Ger. Imho, it was a cool hommage to the prime universe. In the aftermath of Star Trek XI, I was afraid TPTB would discard all previous canon except for TOS for artistic reasons.
Also, V'Ger had to look exactly the same because its history predates the timeline split/duplication.
Also, V'Ger had to look exactly the same because its history predates the timeline split/duplication.
Is that still a thing? I was going to make a snarky comment about Khan, but OK, actors have to be recast anyway, fair enough. But didn't I read somewhere recently that Mike Johnson said that maybe in the comics we'll see that there were differences in the timeline before 2233 after all? Huh, now I can't find it... thought it was either at Trek Movie or the Trek Collective, but I don't see it. Maybe I'm making it up?
It would seem that some treat nuTrek as a total reboot - in particular the video game's version of the Gorn, and the comics' "Return of the Archons". But Into Darkness itself went to such extreme pains to explain how any differences tie in with a 2233 timeline divergeance (a deleted scene even tackled Carol's accent), that I have no doubt that it's the intention of the filmmakers that, recasting and visual upgrade aside, nuTrek stems from the TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY timeline in 2233. Admiral Marcus even had models of the Aries VI, Phoenix, Ringship Enterprise, NX-alpha and Enterprise NX-01 in his office!
That's not the issue. The issue is that if you buy a comic book, you want to see original art, not just stock footage. Most Trek comics draw Kirk to look like Shatner, but they actually draw new pictures of Shatner rather than just pasting photographs onto the page. I'm not saying I wanted V'Ger redesigned, I'm saying I wanted to see original artwork depicting V'Ger rather than page after page after page of screencaps.
Gorn from another dimension doesn't mean that the other species of Gorn (TOS/TAS and ENT) don't exist.
Gorn from another dimension doesn't mean that the other species of Gorn (TOS/TAS and ENT) don't exist.
True. I reckon the NuTrek Gorn are distant relatives of the original Gorn, who got stranded in one of the satellite galaxies long ago. Bear in mind that the circumstances of these Gorn encountering the Federation in the new timeline may well not have occurred in the original version of history.
Or just long Gorn.
I suppose the "other dimension" thing is an excuse for why the game's Gorn are so radically unlike the show's Gorn despite the divergent-timeline underpinnings of the Abramsverse. A history diverging in 2233 wouldn't allow an entirely different evolutionary process for the Gorn, so they had to be brought in from yet another, more distantly removed reality. Although if they were going to change them drastically enough to require that, why even call them Gorn in the first place?
This is my problem with Trek video games these days. They're more about co-opting surface ideas from Trek and changing them to fit the standard dynamics and expectations of a fighting game than they are about creating something that works as Star Trek. Although I suppose you could say that goes back to the very first Trek computer game, the one where you jumped around a rectangular galaxy looking for Klingon ships to blow up. But there was a time when we had games that were more about exploration and problem-solving, like The Kobayashi Alternative and the 20th-anniversary game. That latter one did a nice job of replicating the flavor of TOS episodes, though the obligatory ship combat between stories annoyed me.
This is my problem with Trek video games these days. They're more about co-opting surface ideas from Trek and changing them to fit the standard dynamics and expectations of a fighting game than they are about creating something that works as Star Trek. Although I suppose you could say that goes back to the very first Trek computer game, the one where you jumped around a rectangular galaxy looking for Klingon ships to blow up. But there was a time when we had games that were more about exploration and problem-solving, like The Kobayashi Alternative and the 20th-anniversary game. That latter one did a nice job of replicating the flavor of TOS episodes, though the obligatory ship combat between stories annoyed me.
Yep, it was Roddenberry's complaining about the early semi-licensed "Starfleet Battles" so-called "war games" that led to the creation of the more exploratory "role play games".
And yes, Diane Duane's text-based "The Kobayashi Alternative" was also in answer to complaints that previous games failed to capture the spirit of the show.
Actually, 300,000km is the distance light travels in a second (roughly), not two au. An au is 149,597,870km. Two astronomical units would therefore be about 300,000,000 - three orders of magnitude more.
That is the funniest word ever. You know which word I mean.
D'oh! Of course I knew that. My brain skipped a few steps for some reason.
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