News USS Dauntless

[Deks]

Well, the 32nd century of DSC was created before other shows like Prodigy which show other forms of propulsion which makes standard warp drive obsolete. The result of which being that DSC isn't in continuity with these other shows (something that CBS cares extremely little about), and the only rational way to explain it all is that any new space drive technology shown that's superior to standard warp drive must only be temporary or shown to be ultimately faulty, just so continuity can be maintained with season 3 of DSC. Which, as you say, is extremely unrealistic.

Actually, more advanced methods of propulsion and power generation technologies were introduced all the way back in VOY (such as: QS v2, Coaxial Warp, and Transwarp - some even in TNG)... which happened BEFORE Prodigy.

So, the writers had plenty of material to work with already... I'm just guessing they decided to completely ignore it.

 

[Dukhat]

Actually, more advanced methods of propulsion and power generation technologies were introduced all the way back in VOY (QS v2), Coaxial Warp, and Transwarp (some even in TNG)... which happened BEFORE Prodigy.

So, the writers had plenty of material to work with already... I'm just guessing they decided to completely ignore it.

And let’s not forget the Barclay drive!

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Neural_scan_interface

 

[Deks]

And let’s not forget the Barclay drive!

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Neural_scan_interface

That too.
Though, if you recall from VOY 'Endgame', Admiral Janeway used a synaptic/neural interface to communicate with the Borg Queen.
So, we know that in that timeline at least, SF developed its own neural interface technology... and I'm guessing that this could have been used to aid them in recreating the Barclay Drive too (data on which the ENT-D sensors should have recorded).

There were also Kriega Waves if I'm not mistaken as a power source being developed by the Federation (the data itself survived his death)... and VOY encountered several advanced power core technologies on which they were able to get sensor scans and helped repair them (all of which would give SF ideas on how to build their own in the next 25 to 50 years).

For a civilization that doesn't know one thing from the other or lacks scientific expertise, sure it may take them 100 years to get any useful information, but once the idea has been put into their heads that its possible, you can bet they'd be stubbornly pursuing research into it.
And UFP has highly advanced technology already at its disposal.
So, even if they lack sensor data, they'd be able to come up with a prototype in far less time than a civilization of say our technological level.

 

[Dukhat]

The issue was that they chose the 32nd century to leap to because of some incessant need to link the show to ‘Calypso.’ The scenario would have been far more believable had they jumped to the 26th century or so rather than the 32nd.

 

[fireproof78]

Headcanon/ass-pull explanation here – given how the 32nd century seems so dependent on dilithium, much more so than we see in the 24th century, I assume that due to resource depletion etc by the 32nd century they're making more frequent use of low tech* drives that are built for simplicity, durability, and repairability, rather than more technologically sophisticated high tech* drives that require constant maintenance and adjustment. Think classic 1960s cars that can be repaired in almost any garage in the world and will keep going when half the car is missing, rather than a top-of-the-range Tesla that will refuse to start if a software update fails. You can make a highly advanced warp drive that is less dependent on dilithium or a highly advanced quantum slipstream drive that is less dependent on benemite crystals, but it's much, much harder, especially for civilians like Book.

*Relatively speaking, of course.

As far as thinking goes I do like this. The biggest thing when I watch supposed "updates in tech" with Trek is that they don't last that long. They fall back on the tried and true.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

The issue was that they chose the 32nd century to leap to because of some incessant need to link the show to ‘Calypso.’ The scenario would have been far more believable had they jumped to the 26th century or so rather than the 32nd.

I thought the reason it was set in the 32nd century was that they wanted to jump beyond any established canon, which meant setting it after the Temporal Cold War (plus an extra 100 years or so to include the Burn).

 

[JoaquinSlowly]

I thought the reason it was set in the 32nd century was that they wanted to jump beyond any established canon, which meant setting it after the Temporal Cold War (plus an extra 100 years or so to include the Burn).

That’s correct. Michelle Paradise said a while back, Calypso takes “far beyond” the 32nd Century setting of Discovery, their movement there doesn’t link it to Calypso.

Moving to the 32nd Century was about going past any time the established setting had gone to already.

They have linked the show more directly to Calypso with Zora’s development, and having the word V’Draysh used early in Season 3, absolutely. But Calypso has also always been linked to the show. I mean, it takes place on the Discovery.

 

[Dukhat]

I thought the reason it was set in the 32nd century was that they wanted to jump beyond any established canon, which meant setting it after the Temporal Cold War (plus an extra 100 years or so to include the Burn).

No, that was their stated reason after the fact. The original idea was to link it to ‘Calypso’ and the time period that Short Trek was set in. That’s why they used the term ‘V’Draysh’ early on but then abandoned it later once the 32nd century Federation was established, which was shown to be a completely different animal than how the the V’Draysh were described in the Short Trek.

 

[Deks]

The issue was that they chose the 32nd century to leap to because of some incessant need to link the show to ‘Calypso.’ The scenario would have been far more believable had they jumped to the 26th century or so rather than the 32nd.

I'd rather they jumped to the mid/late 25th century instead. What was shown was closer to that time period rather than the 26th century... but generally, yes, I agree with what you said.

Though, the initial reason for pushing the show so far into the future (if I recall correctly) was to give Disco free reign and free itself from the burden of the past Trek series (aka 'potential canon violations').
Problem with that is you can't really just ignore what happened in the 24th century if the show will be placed in the same universe but much further in the future.

Perhaps if they pushed Discovery into a completely different alternate universe (not the Kelvin universe) where events hadn't progressed very far due to difference in passage of time... so an equivalent of Prime universe 23rd century, but one where the UFP developed differently (so technically, same level of technology as the universe/era from which it came from, it just all happened much later - and of course, the UFP would have been different - no Michael Burnham or Kirk, or similar people - its a different setting after all), that would have completely freed Disco from the burden of continuity... that way, they could easily do what they want without having to worry about what came before.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

They could've called it the Burnham Universe.

 

[Dukhat]

The BU. I like that.

 

[fireproof78]

Boo...

 

[F. King Daniel]

MR BURNS: Are you saying 'booo', or 'B.U.?'

 

[The Wormhole]

MR BURNS: Are you saying 'booo', or 'B.U.?'

Everyone: Boooo!
Hans Moleman: I was saying B.U.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Here are the Dauntless' LCARS UI graphics, from the Wardenlight Studios Artstation. It includes a cutaway, a deck plan and even a QWERTY keyboard - and lots of fun easter eggs.

 

[The Wormhole]

Speaking of EAS, is there anything there about this new Dauntless yet? This seems the sort of thing that would get Bernd triggered to the extreme.

Turns out, I was right:

The Dauntless, seriously? In VOY: "Hope and Fear", this ship was just a fake design created with particle synthesis by Arturis, and was not meant to be a replica of a real Starfleet ship. On the other hand, if we surmise Arturis may have had data about designs that were still on the drawing board at the time, it is plausible that we may encounter the actual Dauntless a couple of years later. I don't like the alternate explanation that Starfleet was inspired by the fake ship, even if it performed comparably well, because that would be silly. Also, I doubt that Voyager collected enough data for that.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Turns out, I was right:

 

[NCC-73515]

Here are the Dauntless' LCARS UI graphics, from the Wardenlight Studios Artstation. It includes a cutaway, a deck plan and even a QWERTY keyboard - and lots of fun easter eggs.

Absolutely beautiful!

 

[Vale]

Here are the Dauntless' LCARS UI graphics, from the Wardenlight Studios Artstation. It includes a cutaway, a deck plan and even a QWERTY keyboard - and lots of fun easter eggs.

That is excellent! Really gives a good indication of the size of the Dauntless – looks like even the genuine Starfleet version is a lean ship.

 

[Deks]

That is excellent! Really gives a good indication of the size of the Dauntless – looks like even the genuine Starfleet version is a lean ship.

The fake USS Dauntless was also a lean ship - or at least, that's what Torres mentioned. Its possible that SF may have incorporated some more stuff for crew comfort in its own design, but would otherwise recreate the vessel as much as possible to maintain compatibility with QS drive.