Uniform Design Patterns

[ThunderAeroI]

Does anyone have a good site I can use to design and make my own Season 5 Picard Uniform. I think its season 5. I'm looking for the uniform with the 'grey' shirt with the red jacket, that has the blackish grey shoulders with the ribbed texture (keep your mind out of the gutter).

 

[Picard Alpha]

I had something similar designed for my character in "Star Trek: Encarta" based off Picard's uniform variant back in 2002; Only I didn't want the under neck shirt to change colors... I hired one of the crews mothers to custom make it... maybe you can find a skilled sew'est?

 

[Johnny]

Forgive me if I'm telling you things you already know...

Making patterns just happens to be one of the hardest things you can do, which is why I've never tried. In this case, I think it'd be easier to find a jumper that you like the fit of, lie it out flat and take a pattern of it on paper. Front, then back. Mark where you want the yoke (the shoulder bit) which is usually 6-8inches down dependent on size and build. Then cut the two shapes from material and sew together with their respective pieces.

For a woman, create a 4inch dart, 2 inches under the arm of the front, coming in towards the breat, to a point. Sew the sides together and take in the sides with bull dog clips first (while it's on you) till you find it fits well, then sew it.

Sleeves are hard so I'd suggest getting a pattern from here...
http://www.independentliving.org/fashionfreaks/pattern.html
...otherwise the arm won't bend in the right places.

You'll need to measure down how far the yoke comes from the edge of the shoulder down the front and back pieces so you know where to put your point of the down arrow on the arm.
Cut your two pieces out and sew them together, and your yoke edges should meet. Then just fold under the end of the arms and sew them at a length that is suitable.

For a collar cut a piece of material four inches longer than your neck size and four times the height as you want the collar, then double it over long ways. Make sure it's stretchy or you'll never get it over your head! Sew the ends of the collar together at your neck size, turn it inside out and sit it on the ouside of the jumper neck, sew it to the jumper, and turn it up.

Turn up the hem at the bottom of the Jumper, and seal it with hemming mesh and an iron, and you should have it.


When it comes to doing the one with the zip up the front, then the front pattern that you create must be split right down the middle and have some extra material to fold over and attach the zip to. Make sure aswell that you leave material at the neck, so you can cut slits every cm or so and fold over to iron shut with mesh glue.

Hope thats helpful, if you didn't know it. If you did, consider me well and truely shutted-up!

 

[dispatcher812]

There was a thread similar to this and I would have linked it here if I could have figured it out. But if you go to roddenberry.com they sell patterns for almost every uniform. Go to that address and to the store. keep following the links.

 

[jamestyler]

Strangely, I have that part of their site bookmarked and the uniform pattern is here:
http://www.roddenberry.com/?action=shop.product&pid=109430&cid=11422

I've got the pattern kicking around my house somewhere. Assuming the pattern on thei site is similar to the one I got from Forbidden Planet yeas ago, it's a bit different from the typical uniform and a bit easier to make.

 

[ThunderAeroI]

Strangely, I have that part of their site bookmarked and the uniform pattern is here:
http://www.roddenberry.com/?action=shop.product&pid=109430&cid=11422

I've got the pattern kicking around my house somewhere. Assuming the pattern on thei site is similar to the one I got from Forbidden Planet yeas ago, it's a bit different from the typical uniform and a bit easier to make.

SWEET... Thats a great link. Noe you think that the uniform i different when made, how different is it?

 

[jamestyler]

SWEET... Thats a great link. Noe you think that the uniform i different when made, how different is it?

I'm just as bad as describing things as giving directions, so this may make less sense than a text message from a teenager...

Aside from the ease of having no collar on the jacket and less detail (which in an awesome time saver heh) the shoulders are done the easy way - which is to have the shoulder piece stretch from the centre, past the shoulder to the point - whereas on typical TNG uniforms it's better to have the pointy shoulder piece made seperatly as pat of the sleeve and line tat up to the shoulder piece.

As I'm pretty sue that only makes sense to me... it's just easier

 

[ThunderAeroI]

SWEET... Thats a great link. Noe you think that the uniform i different when made, how different is it?

I'm just as bad as describing things as giving directions, so this may make less sense than a text message from a teenager...

Aside from the ease of having no collar on the jacket and less detail (which in an awesome time saver heh) the shoulders are done the easy way - which is to have the shoulder piece stretch from the centre, past the shoulder to the point - whereas on typical TNG uniforms it's better to have the pointy shoulder piece made seperatly as pat of the sleeve and line tat up to the shoulder piece.

As I'm pretty sue that only makes sense to me... it's just easier

Well if i'm going to make it, I'm going to make it as close to correct as I possibly can, even if its more difficult. Why make it at all if your going to really half-ass it.

I didn't even know the jacket had a collar, any good pictures of it. I know the shirt has the color, plus the black top part.

Nothing about this jacket shirt combo really gives me the heebeegeebee at all. I've made lots of jackets and outfits before, and although I'm no expert at sewing I'm not totaly lost in the outfield.


Without the pattern, i'm going to assume the entire jacket body is made inside out and folded outside out when you make the final seems at the shoulders. I wounder if the linning of the jacket is also red or black? The great part about making it two layers rather then one is you get a linning, you get "stiffyness" and the top black bart will have proper shoulder support.

Not sure how I'll tackel the black raised parts. I suppose the right way would be to sew one side complely to the body of the jacket, then sew 'paths', and insert something bendy like extra padding or cotton into the path, and then sew the area closed on the other end of the jacket.


What season is this really from, I have to do some research.

 

[TK421]

I believe the jacket was red suede and black leatherette shoulders as evidenced by the shine here.

http://www.costumecostumecostume.com/AlternateDuty.jpg

My advice would be to go to a Walmart or a Jo Anns, maybe a Michaels, and hunt through the patterns looking for the closest thing to the items you want. Make one out of muslin, work out your changes if you need any, adapt the muslin as needed, and that's your pattern.

"Make it work, people!"

You can buy the pattern here
http://www.costumecostumecostume.com/Patterns.htm

 

[Eric Cheung]

I think the early version of Picard's jacket had leather shoulders. I believe the later version had more of a suede, or possibly velour or velvet material.

 

[ThunderAeroI]

I think the early version of Picard's jacket had leather shoulders. I believe the later version had more of a suede, or possibly velour or velvet material.

What season is this from. I recognize that screenshot as the one where Picard and Data are in the forest signing, but the eposiode name escapes me.

I'd like to rewatch some of the episodes this is in. I also think the picture of picard and beverly is from "The Higher Ground", is that true?

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

I think the early version of Picard's jacket had leather shoulders. I believe the later version had more of a suede, or possibly velour or velvet material.

What season is this from. I recognize that screenshot as the one where Picard and Data are in the forest signing, but the eposiode name escapes me.

I'd like to rewatch some of the episodes this is in. I also think the picture of picard and beverly is from "The Higher Ground", is that true?

The picture of Picard and Beverly is from the seventh-season episode "Attached."

The Captain's Jacket/uniform appeared in the fifth season in the episode "Darmok." It originally had pig leather as the black shoulder part but that was changed to suede, iirc, because the pig leather stank.

It was introduced because Stewart felt that Picard as the captain should stand out from the rest of the cast, much in the same way Shatner had the green wrap in TOS.

I believe the jacket was red suede and black leatherette shoulders as evidenced by the shine here.

http://www.costumecostumecostume.com/AlternateDuty.jpg

My advice would be to go to a Walmart or a Jo Anns, maybe a Michaels, and hunt through the patterns looking for the closest thing to the items you want. Make one out of muslin, work out your changes if you need any, adapt the muslin as needed, and that's your pattern.

"Make it work, people!"

You can buy the pattern here
http://www.costumecostumecostume.com/Patterns.htm

Others in the costuming game have had issues with that source. See:

http://propreplicas.yuku.com/topic/15794

I, however, have gotten TOS rank braid and patches from him via ebay and haven't had issues with him; however, I've been burned by other costume dealers (3seasonstos.com in particular), so buyer beware.

Besides the pattern costumecostumecostume sales is the same one as Roddenberry.com, so you'd be better off getting it from them.

Some good boards for Trek costuming 411:

http://propreplicas.yuku.com/directory
http://starfleet1701st.yuku.com/directory
http://startrekuniforms.yuku.com/

But as I said, buyer beware people have been burned time and again in the Starfleet uniform hobby, myself included. Certainly the best bet is to get the roddenberry.com pattern, buy the appropriate materials (which will be listed in the pattern), and take it to a local tailor. This is what I did when I had a season three TNG uniform made and it turned out pretty good. My first-season wrap I had done from one of the online costume dealers and the darn thing doesn't fit as nicely as I'd want it, but looks damn good as a repro. Got another one by another dealer (3seasonstos.com) and it was complete rubbish and no better than a rubies costume. My TOS uniform standard shirt was okay from someone else, but not great. The pants where a disaster and still need to be retailored. So live and learn and buyer beware.

 

[ThunderAeroI]

I'll have to check out and watch season 5 again and get a better look at the uniform.

To be honest, I really dont want to go to many other forums before i build this thing. Partly because I want to explore things for myself and maybe see things from a different light.


When do "we" think the all suede uniform comes in?

Anyone know if the undershirt comes with the pattern design for the jacket?

I'll probably make a cheaper knockoff version first from cheaper fabrics before I jump into the suede one.

 

[TK421]

The Captain's Jacket/uniform appeared in the fifth season in the episode "Darmok." It originally had pig leather as the black shoulder part but that was changed to suede, iirc, because the pig leather stank.

Oh is that what happened. Shame, because I always thought the leather looked far better.

Thanks for the warnings about the seller/s. I had no idea.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

The Captain's Jacket/uniform appeared in the fifth season in the episode "Darmok." It originally had pig leather as the black shoulder part but that was changed to suede, iirc, because the pig leather stank.

Oh is that what happened. Shame, because I always thought the leather looked far better.

Thanks for the warnings about the seller/s. I had no idea.

When do "we" think the all suede uniform comes in?

Anyone know if the undershirt comes with the pattern design for the jacket?

I'll probably make a cheaper knockoff version first from cheaper fabrics before I jump into the suede one.

I believe that the leather was replaced right after the filming of "Darmok," which is the only time the pig leather appears.

Thanks for the warnings about the seller/s. I had no idea.

No problem; I've lurked on costuming boards for years now and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. It's a crap shoot for sure. A shames since the Star Wars fans seem to have better unity when it comes to helping each other out with costuming like the 501st, but the Trek costuming world seems filled with problems.

I was lucky with my first wrap because I've heard other people have issues with the same source, but I had to badger and hound them for a deadline. Same with my other TOS uniforms.

Oh, well. Live and learn.

 

[Bernard Guignard]

Years a go I purchased the Alternate duty Jacket pattern from Either
New eye Studio or Intergalactic Trading. It came with the Undershirt pattern. I then bought a version of the uniform from These Guys
http://www.warp-one.co.uk/. They happen to be at Toronto Trek that Year, came over all the way from Scotland. I also purchased Thier
WOK Uniform, as well as a TNG Dress whites, and TNG Motion Picture uniforms I think I bought a total of 6 uniforms from them that day
don't know if I could fit in them now. My wife did like the alternate duty uniform and had me wear it to a few club occasions. Its nice and with a
different shirt underneath it great but one thing did bother me it has no
way of securing the front I would have designed in a zipper the pattern
calls for 5 black hooks and eyes. The pattern instructions that I have State Pig skin or ultrasuede as the alternate.
I hope this helps out

 

[dispatcher812]

Has anyone used patterns from roddenberry.com? If so how did you like them, did the uniform come out? Any pictures?

 

[ThunderAeroI]

Years a go I purchased the Alternate duty Jacket pattern from Either
New eye Studio or Intergalactic Trading. It came with the Undershirt pattern. I then bought a version of the uniform from These Guys
http://www.warp-one.co.uk/. They happen to be at Toronto Trek that Year, came over all the way from Scotland. I also purchased Thier
WOK Uniform, as well as a TNG Dress whites, and TNG Motion Picture uniforms I think I bought a total of 6 uniforms from them that day
don't know if I could fit in them now. My wife did like the alternate duty uniform and had me wear it to a few club occasions. Its nice and with a
different shirt underneath it great but one thing did bother me it has no
way of securing the front I would have designed in a zipper the pattern
calls for 5 black hooks and eyes. The pattern instructions that I have State Pig skin or ultrasuede as the alternate.
I hope this helps out

Hum, a hidden zipper might be a good idea perhaps. So long as it fits the style and isn't seen because as we know. Picard never had it zipped up.

Any idea what material the undershirt is made from? What about that top part? Is the top part all textured like the coller and what type of material do we think the coller is?

 

[Bernard Guignard]

Years a go I purchased the Alternate duty Jacket pattern from Either
New eye Studio or Intergalactic Trading. It came with the Undershirt pattern. I then bought a version of the uniform from These Guys
http://www.warp-one.co.uk/. They happen to be at Toronto Trek that Year, came over all the way from Scotland. I also purchased Thier
WOK Uniform, as well as a TNG Dress whites, and TNG Motion Picture uniforms I think I bought a total of 6 uniforms from them that day
don't know if I could fit in them now. My wife did like the alternate duty uniform and had me wear it to a few club occasions. Its nice and with a
different shirt underneath it great but one thing did bother me it has no
way of securing the front I would have designed in a zipper the pattern
calls for 5 black hooks and eyes. The pattern instructions that I have State Pig skin or ultrasuede as the alternate.
I hope this helps out

Hum, a hidden zipper might be a good idea perhaps. So long as it fits the style and isn't seen because as we know. Picard never had it zipped up.

Any idea what material the undershirt is made from? What about that top part? Is the top part all textured like the coller and what type of material do we think the coller is?

According to the pattern instructions that I have here for the undershirt
1 yd black pleated polyester (pleats are 1/4" apart and 1/8" high)
2 yds dark grey polyester
1/2 yd black lining (for collar)
1 7inch black polyester zipper I'm assuming this is located on the back of the shirt.