Transporter - Cage & WNMHGB

[Wingsley]

Can anyone refer to old clips from "The Cage"/"The Menagerie" and "Where No Man Has Gone Before" to figure out how long the transporter effect takes in those episodes? In contrast to ENT, it seemed that materialization and dematerialization were a much bigger deal than in later eps, with more vivid sound effects and a longer-lasting effect.

 

[Timo]

...Or perhaps slow-motion photography for dramatic effect?

No knowledge of online clips or DVD timestamps, sorry.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[sbk1234]

Maybe the 23rd Century transporter took longer, but was a LOT safer and had greater range than the 22nd Century model.

 

[GeorgeKirk]

This is one reason why a lot of us ignore Enterprise. In "The Cage", use of the transporter was obviously a bigger deal than in Kirk's time. The transportation process took longer and the transporter was complicated enough that it took two people to operate.

However, the transporter on the NX-01 is just as fast and simple to operate as the 24th century model. Of course, stuff like this might have been easy to forgive if ENT had been a good show, but it turned out to be an even bigger turd than Voyager. I prefer to think that ENT took place in a seperate timeline that was made unstable by all the Temporal Cold War nonsense and eventually collapsed.

 

[Wingsley]

Is'nt it amazing that SPACE: 1999 did a better job of making a big deal out of matter transmission in "Journey to Where" than ENT did in the entire series, don't you agree?

I agree with GeorgeKirk: ENT should've depicted a transporter room, manned by *at least* two transport operators, and the process should've been longer and more dramatic. This was a significant continuity blunder that should have been avoided.

 

[EnsignHarper]

It started taking only one person to operate the transporter when the show ran out of money for extras in the middle of the first season....by the time of LTBYLB, the place is hardly manned at all!

 

[number6]

The transporter cycle in the second pilot is a lot faster than in the Cage.

 

[David cgc]

I don't see the logic in a show that only has 42 minute long episodes using a special effect at a speed that was deemed as being too slow in a 51 minute episode.

 

[number6]

David cgc said:
I don't see the logic in a show that only has 42 minute long episodes using a special effect at a speed that was deemed as being too slow in a 51 minute episode.

There is no logic. It's just another ENT SUX!1!one! thread.

 

[darkwing_duck1]

"In universe" it all makes sense though:

In ENT we have fast, but risky transporters. Then came problems/side effects like Transporter Psychosis, so in TOS' era we had slower, safer transporters due to added buffering/filtering/etc. As the technology "matured", it again became faster without losing the safety factor, so by the "modern" era we again had fast (but now SAFE) transports.

 

[Ronald Held]

That may be an acceptable explanation.

 

[gastrof]

By virtue of my authority as a Trek fan who has no greater say in such things than anyone else, I declare this explanation to be THE one, which shall be made canon by an onscreen statement in some future Trek production.

 

[Tino]

GeorgeKirk said:
This is one reason why a lot of us ignore Enterprise. In "The Cage", use of the transporter was obviously a bigger deal than in Kirk's time. The transportation process took longer and the transporter was complicated enough that it took two people to operate.

My, isn't that a great reason to ignore en entire series just because the transporter
effect was faster than it was 100 years later? *lol*

 

[UnknownSample]

The first time we see a transporter work, it's supposed to be a very eye-opening, startling experience for the viewer (and maybe for the executives they were selling the pilot to), so the effect is dragged out much longer, to be impressive, and so as not to go by too quickly, I suppose.

That doesn't mean you can't claim a longer transporter process as canon, for Pike's Enterprise, but I choose to view it as one of those early things they changed later, like Spock's emotionalism in The Cage... the shouting of orders, and the smiling at vegetation. Vulcans weren't even supposed to be unemotional, yet. Stick that in your canon....

 

[GeorgeKirk]

Tino said:

GeorgeKirk said:
This is one reason why a lot of us ignore Enterprise. In "The Cage", use of the transporter was obviously a bigger deal than in Kirk's time. The transportation process took longer and the transporter was complicated enough that it took two people to operate.

My, isn't that a great reason to ignore en entire series just because the transporter
effect was faster than it was 100 years later? *lol*

I wasn't talking about the transporter in particular; I was talking about the general failure of ENT to show technology that was a century less advanced than that of the original series.

 

[Wingsley]

I would have to give the nod to GeorgeKirk on this one.

ENT made technology aboard the NX-01 seem too much like a 24th century starship.

 

[Plum]

^^^
Yea... pretty much why the show failed ultimately... it was the same show as the TNG, DS9, VOY shows were. That is, they used the tech dramatically in the same ways. Total cop out.

 

[Phantassm]

David cgc said:
I don't see the logic in a show that only has 42 minute long episodes using a special effect at a speed that was deemed as being too slow in a 51 minute episode.

...Really, silly argument just to make another reason yet to hate Ent.

 

[Tino]

Plum said:
^^^
Yea... pretty much why the show failed ultimately... it was the same show as the TNG, DS9, VOY shows were. That is, they used the tech dramatically in the same ways. Total cop out.

That's what I think as well. It was just another STAR TREK-series, nothing serious
was changed. As if having a female captain or being the first Starfleet-vessel is such
a huge departure from what we're used to see. It's not. I would never have minded as
series that was based on Earth or a planet or a submarine.

I think that's what really got ENT kicked out. It was just another STAR TREK-series,
and a quite weak one. The same stories over and over again, only a very few good
character-episodes and too much mindless action. Too bad 'cause in general,
I really loved ENT's setting.

 

[Basil]

Tino said:

GeorgeKirk said:
This is one reason why a lot of us ignore Enterprise. In "The Cage", use of the transporter was obviously a bigger deal than in Kirk's time. The transportation process took longer and the transporter was complicated enough that it took two people to operate.

My, isn't that a great reason to ignore en entire series just because the transporter
effect was faster than it was 100 years later? *lol*

Actually, there were quite a few other reasons to ignore the show, enough that it was cancelled.