tng to voyager confusion

[data_lover]

Okay, well I'm a TNG girl generally, but a friend of mine vehemently recommended voyager so I'm watching that now and I am confused as to how holographs can suddenly exist outside of the holodeck? I mean, Voyager says it's because they have the sensors in sick bay, but if it was that simple why didn't they do that for Moriarty on tng?

also, if there's such a need to conserve power that they're avoiding using the replicators and keelix has to make that craptastic food, why are people on the freaking holodeck all the time? wouldn't that take more power than some coffee?

and why did they use the same actor that played nick locarno on tng to play tom paris and give him an almost identical backstory?

and why do people suddenly have colds again? Remember on TNG when wesley crusher talked about how people used to get colds when picard had that headache from that mind probe? well on voyager tom talks about how he had a cold when he was 9.

 

[RyuRoots]

Because they really didn't want to give Moriarty access to the ship, so they didn't do something that would be time-consuming for a goal they didn't want? The emergency medical hologram has equipment in sickbay because he's designed specifically to help with medical emergencies in sickbay. Moriarty was basically a mistake. And the Ent-D didn't have an EMH or the equipment therefore, at least never that we were shown. The Ent-E did, however.

Because the holodeck power source is incompatible with the rest of the ship. Yes, it's stupid, but that's what the show says.

Something to do with legalities. They wanted to, but they'd have to pay royalties for the people who wrote up The First Duty every time Locarno made an appearance, or something like that. So they changed the name, and boom. Same schtick with less trouble.

Dunno really, about the colds thing. It's not something I remember clearly.

 

[data_lover]

i love that there are people i can pose these questions to without getting that, "really, these are the things that keep you up at night?" look. thanks!

 

[Withers]

Welcome to the show that never ends.

Okay, well I'm a TNG girl generally, but a friend of mine vehemently recommended voyager so I'm watching that now and I am confused as to how holographs can suddenly exist outside of the holodeck? I mean, Voyager says it's because they have the sensors in sick bay, but if it was that simple why didn't they do that for Moriarty on tng?

I think, likely because of the events on TNG, holo-projection technology was pursued culminating in the EMH (which was one of Voyager's advanced features. At the the time she was launched she was the newest and most technologically advanced ship in the fleet.) The reason they didn't do it on TNG was because the technology simply hadn't been invented yet. (Though I will say the idea of a hologram that was self aware was a much bigger deal on TNG than it was later on in the STU.)

also, if there's such a need to conserve power that they're avoiding using the replicators and keelix has to make that craptastic food, why are people on the freaking holodeck all the time? wouldn't that take more power than some coffee?

If there is a good answer to this I don't know what it is. The holodecks and the idea they were ever used at all is a subject (even recently) of debate. It is established (in contradiction to other episodes) that the holodeck on Voyager runs on some other power source or something, separate from the replicators and everything else. Supposedly that's why using them (and leaving them on for days at a time) isn't a big deal. You can take that or leave it (but you wouldn't be in the minority if you thought the explanation was kind of weak.)

and why did they use the same actor that played nick locarno on tng to play tom paris and give him an almost identical backstory?

This is from the Memory Alpha page on Tom Paris:


Paris was largely based on the character of Nicholas Locarno from The Next Generation episode "The First Duty", who was also played by Robert Duncan McNeill. When the writers were trying to cast for the part, they couldn't find anyone that seemed to match McNeill's persona, so they eventually just asked him to read for the role, and he got the part. Reasons for not simply bringing back the Locarno character have varied. It may have been because they would have had to pay royalties to the writers of "The First Duty" every episode, though in interviews, the producers of Voyager have said they felt Locarno's actions in that episode made him irredeemable (TNG Season 5 DVD bonus materials). Later, a photo of McNeill as Locarno was used as a photo of young Tom Paris on Admiral Owen Paris's desk in the episode VOY: "Pathfinder".


I would have made the character completely different or just used Locarno. As it was their decision seems like them being cheap and lazy at the same time.

and why do people suddenly have colds again? Remember on TNG when wesley crusher talked about how people used to get colds when picard had that headache from that mind probe? well on voyager tom talks about how he had a cold when he was 9.

That's a "nitpick" and if you delve that deeply into Voyager you'll be too overwhelmed by them to enjoy the show.






-Withers-​

 

[data_lover]

heh i do tend to nitpick, mostly because i think they might not be mistakes but rather something i've missed in the trekiverse.

 

[Withers]

heh i do tend to nitpick, mostly because i think they might not be mistakes but rather something i've missed in the trekiverse.

Oh, hey, me too for sure. That's part of the fun of it if you ask me. You're probably even right about the cold thing- but with Voyager, something like that is like focusing on having a dirty windshield after you've totaled your car. You've just gotta keep it in perspective with this show to enjoy it- and in spite of it all it is an enjoyable show.


-Withers-​

 

[Michael]

keelix

Neelix + Kes = Keelix?

 

[data_lover]

Ha! i didnt even notice I did that. how did neelix get a hot chick like kes anyhow? i'm only on season one, but i'm already rooting for paris on that front.

 

[Chris3123]

Okay, well I'm a TNG girl generally, but a friend of mine vehemently recommended voyager so I'm watching that now and I am confused as to how holographs can suddenly exist outside of the holodeck? I mean, Voyager says it's because they have the sensors in sick bay, but if it was that simple why didn't they do that for Moriarty on tng?

It was a relatively new technology, what they had going in Voyager's sickbay. With the holodeck, every square inch of the room is dedicated to producing holograms. With Voyager's sickbay, they made the room compatible with, not dedicated to, complex holograms. The sickbay is obviously more advanced than a standard holodeck, int ha respect.

 

[Guy Gardener]

These are all the same questions I asked when I got here SOOOOO long ago.

 

[nx1701g]

Okay, well I'm a TNG girl generally, but a friend of mine vehemently recommended voyager so I'm watching that now and I am confused as to how holographs can suddenly exist outside of the holodeck? I mean, Voyager says it's because they have the sensors in sick bay, but if it was that simple why didn't they do that for Moriarty on tng?

It was a relatively new technology, what they had going in Voyager's sickbay. With the holodeck, every square inch of the room is dedicated to producing holograms. With Voyager's sickbay, they made the room compatible with, not dedicated to, complex holograms. The sickbay is obviously more advanced than a standard holodeck, int ha respect.

If she think's that is confusing wait until the Prometheus is introduced in Season 4.

 

[data_lover]

hey, it's my first day here and my first season of voyager. im still adjusting.

 

[Withers]

I really hope you stick around through your first viewing of the entire season especially as a big fan of TNG. Your perspective on the whole thing would certainly be something I'd be interested in hearing.



-Withers-​

 

[Trek Survivor]

and why do people suddenly have colds again? Remember on TNG when wesley crusher talked about how people used to get colds when picard had that headache from that mind probe? well on voyager tom talks about how he had a cold when he was 9.

*Nerd hat on*

Well, remember it was your precious TNG that first contradicted ITSELF. Remember the Admiral from "Ensign Ro"? Had a particularly nasty cold...

of course, that was a CARDASSIAN cold, so it could be that Wesley's earlier comment was about human colds specifically (and humans can still get afflicted by alien equivalent-of-colds). In fact, doesn't Dr. Crusher say "the common cold" was eliminated/cured etc? This implies the "uncommon" cold has not been!

In which case, why couldn't Paris' cold simply be an alien variation???

See, it all works!

 

[data_lover]

and why do people suddenly have colds again? Remember on TNG when wesley crusher talked about how people used to get colds when picard had that headache from that mind probe? well on voyager tom talks about how he had a cold when he was 9.

*Nerd hat on*

Well, remember it was your precious TNG that first contradicted ITSELF. Remember the Admiral from "Ensign Ro"? Had a particularly nasty cold...

of course, that was a CARDASSIAN cold, so it could be that Wesley's earlier comment was about human colds specifically (and humans can still get afflicted by alien equivalent-of-colds). In fact, doesn't Dr. Crusher say "the common cold" was eliminated/cured etc? This implies the "uncommon" cold has not been!

In which case, why couldn't Paris' cold simply be an alien variation???

See, it all works!

LOVE IT!

 

[JanewayRulz!]

Since everything's been answered, I'll just say, "Welcome!"

 

[data_lover]

ahh what the hell?! it's reg "brocolli" barclay from tng! im excited for my first (official, paris doesn't count) crossover!

and thanks janeway!

 

[Guy Gardener]

Yes and you begin to think that this is the beginning of a skeevy love triangle between the Doctor, kes and the hedgehog... Wouldn't that have been a nice morsel of venom to pustulyze if it was fanned just a touch?

No such luck.

 

[M-Red]

but with Voyager, something like that is like focusing on having a dirty windshield after you've totaled your car. You've just gotta keep it in perspective with this show to enjoy it- and in spite of it all it is an enjoyable show.

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so true.


To the OP: you're a big TNG fan and that's great but if the common cold trips your canon alarm then you've got some rough waters ahead with VOY.


VOY has its moments, and when it does its fun and good. But it's not TNG and you'll have to learn to roll with the punches or you'll never make it to Season 3.

 

[brcarthey]

but with Voyager, something like that is like focusing on having a dirty windshield after you've totaled your car. You've just gotta keep it in perspective with this show to enjoy it- and in spite of it all it is an enjoyable show.

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so true.


To the OP: you're a big TNG fan and that's great but if the common cold trips your canon alarm then you've got some rough waters ahead with VOY.


VOY has its moments, and when it does its fun and good. But it's not TNG and you'll have to learn to roll with the punches or you'll never make it to Season 3.

as quite a few dispassionate trek viewers have stated here, VOY is no better or worse than TNG in terms of canon trip ups. but, with TNG being the first out of the gate it gets a pass from many of you. i don't know if they're still there, but youtube has plenty of videos on TNG self-contradictions.