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Different aspect of Canadian life to discuss: I worry about the Pandemic-induced income supports being dismantled. It's too soon, and it's the wrong way to deal with the transition to a post-Pandemic economic life.

Yeah, agreed. We're not even fully out of it yet. To think otherwise is naive at this point. Even the 1918 pandemic went on for more than 2 years. They weren't fully clear of it until at least 1922. I think the support systems should be in place until a time when we're sure it won't still be an issue. It needs to become weaker before that ever happens. With the 1918 pandemic, the second and 3rd waves were the worst, and both times they thought they were done with it, and by the 4th wave or so became considerably weaker enough for immune systems to fight it off. Best thing to do is to let the medical professionals do their job and watch for signs of it becoming less of a threat.
 
Different aspect of Canadian life to discuss: I worry about the Pandemic-induced income supports being dismantled. It's too soon, and it's the wrong way to deal with the transition to a post-Pandemic economic life.
From my perspective: What pandemic income supports? I'm on AISH, which is the disability benefit in Alberta for people who are permanently disabled and can't work, at least not at anything consistent enough to matter.

You know how much the AISH recipients got, at least those who didn't qualify for any federal help?

NOTHING. Not. One. Nickel. They could at least have included a package of disposable masks with the monthly health card, but nooOOOooo. We were told, "Just go to any drive-thru at McDonalds, Tim Hortons, or A&W, and get a free package of 4 masks."

Hello... most of us don't drive. Pedestrians cannot use drive-thrus and these places were closed to walk-in customers.

Then we were told, "Okay, you can get a package of masks at the Edmonton public transit stations."

Hello... there are many of us who don't live in Edmonton.

When people pointed out to the Minister of Social Services that if able-bodied adults were deemed to need a minimum of $2000/month to live on, why were the disabled adults getting hundreds less/month... she said impatiently, "Don't worry, we're not cutting you off, you'll still get your cheques."

As she said this, we already knew that she and Kenney were looking for ways to kick people off and make it harder for others to get on.

Rajan Sawhney, who was shuffled out of that portfolio into some other one, is a snobby, entitled princess with a "let them eat cake" attitude. Her replacement... I've heard he's just as awful or worse, and that he and Kenney don't consider a person to be really disabled unless they're in a wheelchair or something visible, as opposed to people whose disabilities aren't immediately visible (people with brain injuries, mental health problems that preclude their being able to work consistently, etc.).

We are not happy campers here in Alberta. Not the people on AISH, not the homeless who will probably face more hardships this winter - Sawhney dug in her heels last year and didn't want to let them stay in the unused hotel rooms, because "it would take too long to retrofit them."

Why did she think they needed to be retrofit?

Well, because absolutely every homeless person just can't wait to use the curtains in hotel rooms to commit suicide, of course. So her idea of retrofitting meant removing ALL the curtains, from the windows and showers, removing the appliances, the cutlery (from units with kitchenettes), and even the friggin' paintings from the walls. Honestly, hotel paintings are too large to walk out with them stuck in a pocket. They weren't going anywhere, but I guess homeless people can't even have a painting to look at.


Oh, and my housekeeping helper from the seniors' centre is an anti-vaxxer, who's into the conspiracy bullshit and fake doctors peddling pseudoscience. Which just goes to show that you don't have to be a right-wing voter to be a gullible science-denier (she votes NDP).
 
Okay...assuming that I haven't totally ruined my goodwill around here with that stupid joke (which, again, I completely apologize for), I have a question:

I know that if I visited Canada, I would have to have a covid test before I returned home. Those are easy to get in most Canadian cities, aren't they?

I mean, I realize that I would probably have to pay some serious coin for a test (because I'm just doing it to satisfy U.S. entry requirements), but tests can still easily be found, can't they? Even if they cost money?
 
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I know that if I visited Canada, I would have to have a covid test before I returned home. Those are easy to get in most Canadian cities, aren't they?

I mean, I realize that I would probably have to pay some serious coin for a test (because I'm just doing it to satisfy U.S. entry requirements), but tests can still easily be found, can't they? Even if they cost money?

I think there are differences between provinces, so it will depend on where you're visiting. Here in Ontario, you can get tests at selected pharmacy locations.

If rapid antigen screening is sufficient for your travel purposes, Shoppers Drug Mart offers it for $40 (details), and Rexall has it for $30.

If you need full PCR testing, you can get it at Shoppers for $150 (details), and Rexall offers it for only $80 (details), but note that Shoppers will email you the results, whereas Rexall makes you come in to pick them up. Both indicate the results should be ready within 48 hours.

For both chains, you need to book an appointment (can't just walk in off the street), and not all locations offer the tests.

I hope this helps. As mentioned, things may be different outside of Ontario.
 
I just checked, apparently I'd have to have a test to even enter Canada in the first place (even though I'm vaccinated).

This whole thing seems quite...daunting. I may have to wait.

Or maybe I'm just being a chickenshit. :lol:
 
We're just being extra cautious and vigilant given that we have an 80% vaccinated population. In fact, it's Biden and the U.S keeping Canadians out ;)
 
In fact, it's Biden and the U.S keeping Canadians out ;)

He's keeping me out too... :(

I mean, if I have to have a test to return home, it's just as bad as requiring one to leave, isn't it? And needing BOTH is even worse!

So basically we're all in the same boat here. Stuck. :sigh:
 
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Yeah, I know the snowbirds want it and they'll just have to wait like everyone else. Thing is, it's been extended time and again due to a wait and see approach and it was thought the border would be open sooner.
 
We're just being extra cautious and vigilant given that we have an 80% vaccinated population. In fact, it's Biden and the U.S keeping Canadians out ;)

Except if you fly. Because COVID obviously can't survive exposure to an airplane cabin, or something. ;)
 
Except if you fly. Because COVID obviously can't survive exposure to an airplane cabin, or something.


I've never understood that reasoning :lol:

Anyway, looks like it's no longer just a rumour. The border will open in November, we just don't know exactly when. Probably the week before American Thanksgiving I'm guessing.
 
"The border will open"...which border, exactly? Air? Land? Sea?

(I had assumed the air border was already open, except you have to get a test in both directions. Are they easing up on that?)
 
Anyway, looks like it's no longer just a rumour. The border will open in November, we just don't know exactly when. Probably the week before American Thanksgiving I'm guessing.

Don't know whether my in-laws will head across. My wife's great aunt is the last living relative on her mother's side and they haven't gone across to see them since before the pandemic hit.

Guess they might go if the weather's okay though I don't think my father-in-law will be too enthused. He might be trudeau hating tory but not a good mix with a trump-loving republicans who have fox news on all day.
 
"The border will open"...which border, exactly? Air? Land? Sea?

Land and water (ferries), apparently. (As you noted, air is already open.) And of course, this only affects us going there, since the land border was already open for you coming here.

(I had assumed the air border was already open, except you have to get a test in both directions. Are they easing up on that?)

The article I read mentioned an easing of air restrictions, but provided exactly zero details as to what that might entail.

not so much the ability to survive but more about the aircraft cabins have the air constantly moving and they have filter systems.

But any infected people on that flight will still be disembarking at some point, and then can spread their infection to the population at the destination... same as one can when driving across the border. So I share @Owain Taggart 's lack of understanding as to why one was allowed when the other wasn't.
 
"The border will open"...which border, exactly? Air? Land? Sea?

Well, as mentioned by others, it was already being done by air, and this article focuses more on easing restrictions by land and sea, which was really at the heart of the frustrations. See, the thing about Canada's airfare is that it's quite expensive, and for many, it's simply not an option. Living where I am requires too many hops to make it an affordable option.
 
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