The 'hate Star Trek V' bandwagon.

[HansVerhaaden]

I love Star Trek V. There, I said it. I find it immensely engaging and witty. I prefer it to Meyer's VI - which I find very dull.

Do you think a lot of people secretly love Star Trek V but are afraid to admit it publicly for fear of separating themselves from the all powerful 'Hate Star Trek V' bandwagon and risking being ostracized forever?...

 

[Dukhat]

Do you think a lot of people secretly love Star Trek V but are afraid to admit it publicly for fear of separating themselves from the all powerful 'Hate Star Trek V' bandwagon and risking being ostracized forever?...

No. There's no conspiracy theories here regarding this film. Either you love it, hate it, or find yourself somewhere in between, but AFAIK no one's ever been "afraid" of speaking their mind about how they feel about it. I personally can't stand watching even ten minutes of this movie.

 

[HansVerhaaden]

I personally can't stand watching even ten minutes of this movie.

I do not mean to be personal here but how can I be certain that you are not pretending to dislike it to impress others?

 

[Lance]

The 'hate Star Trek V' bandwagon.

Ah, "hate". It is such an emotive word.....

I don't "hate" any Star Trek. There is some of it that isn't as good as other parts of it, but I can't in my heart truthfully say there's anything in the canon that would make me want to burn my Star Trek Fandom Membership Card (if I had one ).

Star Trek V, like all Star Treks, has got its moments. Both good and bad.

 

[HansVerhaaden]

Do you dislike Star Trek V?

Please be truthful. Do not be afraid to admit that you like it.


- Hans

 

[Lance]

I like Star Trek V a lot.

There are other parts of it that I think are misguided.

I don't think the word "hate" applies to my feelings about it.

 

[HansVerhaaden]

I like Star Trek V a lot.

 

[Dukhat]

I personally can't stand watching even ten minutes of this movie.

I do not mean to be personal here but how can I be certain that you are not pretending to dislike it to impress others?

Because I don't give a shit about what other people think of my movie-enjoyment preferences?

 

[Therin of Andor]

Do you think a lot of people secretly love Star Trek V but are afraid to admit it publicly for fear of separating themselves from the all powerful 'Hate Star Trek V' bandwagon and risking being ostracized forever?...

Nope, 'cos we wanted it to be good.

After the great job Nimoy did directing ST III and ST IV, the members of my 1000-strong club entered ST V with a large amount of skepticism, and I guess we were unsurprised.

Shatner's directing was known to us via episodes of "TJ Hooker", and many TV and magazine interviews, where he talked about his love of "running and jumping" action sequences. It made many wonder what his Trek approach might be, together with his often-weird sense of humour.

There were also the negative reactions of Gene Roddenberry and DC Fontana to early announcements that Sybok would be Spock's half-brother, despite DC's memos during TOS that giving Spock siblings would water down his uniqueness as a character.

There was a very funny TV interview with Nichelle Nichols where she mentioned the (true) rumour of blue unicorns. Her body language and tone of voice seemed to speak volumes about the ST V experience.

On opening night, we had the greatest time, but in a "Mystery Science Theater 3000" kind of way. We emerged from the cinema, still underwhelmed, and saw this:


To stop people leaving early? by Therin of Andor, on Flickr

We fell about in hysterics.

 

[HansVerhaaden]

There was also the negative reactions of Gene Roddenberry and DC Fontana by early announcements that Sybok would be Spock's half-brother, despite DC's memos during TOS that giving Spock siblings would water down his uniqueness as a character.

Fontana is wrong.

Did giving Indiana Jones a father weaken his character? Last Crusade is regarded as equal to Raiders of the Lost Ark by many.

Poor argument indeed.

I think it boils down to a dislike of Shatner taking the reigns - regardless of how entertaining the final result is. And it is.

 

[-Brett-]

I love Star Trek V. There, I said it. I find it immensely engaging and witty. I prefer it to Meyer's VI - which I find very dull.

Do you think a lot of people secretly love Star Trek V but are afraid to admit it publicly for fear of separating themselves from the all powerful 'Hate Star Trek V' bandwagon and risking being ostracized forever?...

This movie is 25 years old. There's no bandwagon. Even if there was, no one would care enough anymore to get on it. Your opinion of the film is simply a minority one.

 

[HansVerhaaden]

Your opinion of the film is simply a minority one.

We can never be truly certain. Many people will hide behind a phony hatred for fear of falling to the wayside and being looked down upon.

There is an almost unspoken bullying mentality regarding this movie. To like it is a crime.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Fontana is wrong.

It is my understanding that many spec scripts and story pitches received by TOS attempted to give Spock brothers, sisters and cousins and girlfriends. (So did many early fanzines!)

Spock became a popular character surpassing Kirk very early in the series. DC's memos were rightfully concerned to warn the show's writers that they should let the character blossom without too many extended relatives (and even then we met Leila, T'Pring, estranged Sarek, Amanda - and Saavik in ST II). Her point was that his popularity was partly due to his aloneness in the universe.

Your comment re Indiana Jones' father is interesting. Note that we didn't meet him till the third movie. (And, by the way, Sean Connery was first choice for Sybok, hence Sha Ka Ree.)

 

[Therin of Andor]

Your opinion of the film is simply a minority one.

We can never be truly certain. Many people will hide behind a phony hatred for fear of falling to the wayside and being looked down upon.

And we can't be certain that you really like it.

There is an almost unspoken bullying mentality regarding this movie. To like it is a crime.

I could say the same about TOS Season Three, TAS, Bantam novels, TMP, DS9, "Generations", VOY, "Insurrection", "Nemesis", ENT, ST 2009 and "Into Darkness".

 

[HansVerhaaden]

Sean Connery was first choice for Sybok, hence Sha Ka Ree.)

Amusing!

 

[HansVerhaaden]

And we can't be certain that you really like it.

I genuinely believe that this film has an army of secret admirers. If only they would be brave enough to stop worrying what others think.

They need to come out of the closet, so to speak.

 

[{ Emilia }]

Do you dislike Star Trek V?

Please be truthful. Do not be afraid to admit that you like it.


- Hans

What I like about STV: The camaraderie between Kirk, Spock and Bones. Very heart-warming.

What I didn't like: Everything else.

I don't think anybody is afraid to admit they like it. It's just rare.

 

[HansVerhaaden]

What I like about STV: The camaraderie between Kirk, Spock and Bones. Very heart-warming.

What I didn't like: Everything else.

I don't think anybody is afraid to admit they like it. It's just rare.

Consider the scene in which Dr. McCoy is being shown, heartbreakingly, his father's demise.

Beautiful scene.

A beautiful scene directed by Shatner. Yet this wonderful moment is overlooked and under appreciated.

If this scene were in a Nimoy or Meyer film it would be hailed as one of the greatest Star Trek movie moments since sliced oxygen.

Shatner did a wonderful job.

 

[{ Emilia }]

I agree that it's a good concept. The problem is it's easily overlooked because it's a quality island in an ocean of trash.

 

[HansVerhaaden]

I agree that it's a good scene. The problem is it's easily overlooked because it's a quality island in an ocean of trash.

One mans poison is another mans fruit, no?