The 'hate Star Trek V' bandwagon.

[Greg Cox]

Since when were Star Trek fans afraid of expressing our true feelings? Rumor has it we are an articulate and opinionated bunch!

Do people the courtesy of assuming that they actually mean what they say.

And, no, I don't like ST V. It has a few good moments, true, but it's still my least favorite of all the twelve movies.

 

[HansVerhaaden]

And, no, I don't like ST V. My least favorite of all the twelve movies.

Are you certain?....

 

[Greg Cox]

And, no, I don't like ST V. My least favorite of all the twelve movies.

Are you certain?....

Absolutely. Just as much as you are certain of your opinion.

But please stop implying that the rest of us must be lying because we don't share your high opinion of the movie.

Sometimes people just disagree without there being any conspiracy of silence or peer pressure involved.

 

[HansVerhaaden]

Absolutely. Just as much as you are certain of your opinion.

But please stop implying that the rest of us must be lying because we don't share your high opinion of the movie.

Sometimes people just disagree without there being any conspiracy of silence or peer pressure involved.

I cannot quite grasp the scale of this hatred. I cannot fathom why so many people have grouped together with this opinion.

To me, it seems there must be some sort of herd mentality behind it. There has to be.


Perhaps my love for the film is wrong?

 

[{ Emilia }]

People haven't grouped together. They individually came to the conclusion that they don't like the film.

That doesn't mean that your love for the film is wrong. The movie works for you, it doesn't work for many others.

Heck, I even thought the Postman was watchable. We all have our guilty pleasures.

 

[HansVerhaaden]

People haven't grouped together. They individually came to the conclusion that they don't like the film.

That doesn't mean that your love for the film is wrong. The movie works for you, it doesn't work for many others.

Heck, I even thought the Postman was watchable. We all have our guilty pleasures.

I feel like a criminal because I like this movie. Such is the weight of expectancy for Trekkers to dislike it. I should not have to feel this way.

If anything, fans should regard STIV the weak link with it's cheap fish out of water shenanigans. Star Trek V feels more pure Star Trek than IV does.

 

[FormerLurker]

What I've noticed time and again is that the consensus(among those that don't like it) is that ST:V is a bad movie, because this, that or the other element is not how previous films or the TOS episodes did it. What this says to me is that it isn't that the movie is poorly made; rather, it's that it doesn't capture the spirit of Trek to the naysayers' satisfaction. In essence, it's a decent film, it's just bad Star Trek. Which I happen to agree with.

 

[HansVerhaaden]

What I've noticed time and again is that the consensus(among those that don't like it) is that ST:V is a bad movie, because this, that or the other element is not how previous films or the TOS episodes did it. What this says to me is that it isn't that the movie is poorly made; rather, it's that it doesn't capture the spirit of Trek to the naysayers' satisfaction. In essence, it's a decent film, it's just bad Star Trek. Which I happen to agree with.

I cannot agree with this.

There is nothing that negatively differentiates STV from any other Trek episode or movie. To me, anyway.

 

[Lance]

I am not, nor have I ever been a fan of the 'consensus thinking'. Far better for people to come to their own individual opinions on things. Frankly, there's such a small amount of sound-bites about the "bad" Star Trek movies that keep getting thrown around the net, that I sometimes wonder if the people who say this stuff have actually watched the films, or simply watched RedLetterMedia or someone skewer them online and are repeating what they've seen Parrot-fashion.

That said, as others above have mentioned, I'm sure there are many fans here who came to their own conclusions about the movies without 'group think' swaying them. So it certainly isn't helpful to suggest that STV (or whichever movie) is disliked simply because of some grand consensus. Indeed, one thing I've discovered to my delight here at the BBS is that every movie has got its fans as well as its detractors. Both mind-sets of which are entirely healthy.

 

[Greg Cox]

Absolutely. Just as much as you are certain of your opinion.

But please stop implying that the rest of us must be lying because we don't share your high opinion of the movie.

Sometimes people just disagree without there being any conspiracy of silence or peer pressure involved.

To me, it seems there must be some sort of herd mentality behind it. There has to be.

Sigh. Is it really that hard to grasp that (gasp!) lots of people genuinely dislike the movie for their own assorted reasons?

I'm sure it's not what you intend, but you're bordering on being insulting by repeatedly insisting that other people can't possibly feel the way they do unless there's some sort of "herd mentality" involved.

Instead of, you know, taking people at their word and accepting that they mean what they say.

Look, I love ST IV ("the one with the whales") and think it's a delightful feel-good movie that always leaves me smiling. You disagree. Fair enough.

But suppose I kept insisting that you secretly love the whale movie and are just ashamed to admit it . . .?

Wouldn't that be annoying?

 

[Dukhat]

I feel like a criminal because I like this movie. Such is the weight of expectancy for Trekkers to dislike it. I should not have to feel this way.

Then I would put forth the notion that this topic of yours isn't really about us at all, or whether we are hiding our true feelings for fear of being persecuted by our peers. It's more about your own insecurities. Well, sorry, but we can't help you with that because we're not psychologists (or at least I'm not). All I can offer you is advice to stop worrying so much about what other people think about what you like or dislike.

*EDIT* I see from your response to Greg Cox that you're apparently not being serious. So I won't take this topic seriously any more either.

 

[HansVerhaaden]

But suppose I kept insisting that you secretly love the whale movie and are just ashamed to admit it . . .?

Wouldn't that be annoying?

I would not mind as it would be in good humor. Just as my posts are.

 

[HansVerhaaden]

Then I would put forth the notion that this topic of yours isn't really about us at all, or whether we are hiding our true feelings for fear of being persecuted by our peers. It's more about your own insecurities. Well, sorry, but we can't help you with that because we're not psychologists (or at least I'm not). All I can offer you is advice to stop worrying so much about what other people think about what you like or dislike.

You seriously believe that amongst the anti Star Trek V crowd there are not at least some bandwagoners who are cowering there against their will so as not to be singled out as 'pathetic' Star Trek 5 lovers by the sneering elitist fans?

 

[Dukhat]

All I believe is that I'm not going to waste any more time talking about this.

 

[Therin of Andor]

ST:TMP made me a Trek fan. And yet, when I found organised fandom in February 1980, for the next several years I would often be told I'd realise what a bad film it was, if only I'd been around TOS in the 60s.

Then I had to put up with some of those anti-TMP fans celebrating ST II as "finally, a real Trek movie". For me, I enjoyed ST II, but it had none of the elements I wanted to see followed up by the next movie.

Then there were others who blackbanned ST II because they heard Spock died in it, and they took out the full page ads pleading with fans not to support the film. Even Roddenberry and Barrett wrote to fan clubs expressing their distancing from the movie.

Then there were others who blackbanned ST III because they heard the Enterprise died in it. And that the ship was to be replaced by "a pregnant guppy" (USS Excelsior). And then other fans hated on ST IV, which they called "milking down Trek to the common demominator" and "Star Trek for the masses".

Similarly, I recall the huge backlash against TNG when it first started.

When Roddenberry had nothing to do with ST VI, DS9, VOY or ENT, fans complained bitterly that Trek needed Roddenberry - and yet others, who had hated on TMP and TNG, both of which he'd been closely involved with, somehow missed the irony.

If anything, hating the next new Trek is par for the course.

 

[pfontaine2]

I'll be glad to admit that of the original six Trek movies, Trek V is perhaps my second or third favorite.

There was something about Trek V that "felt" like I was watching the Trek of my youth. The movie felt like a lost episode, unlike any of the other films with the original cast.

All the other movies felt too self contained and didn't have that sense of venturing out into the universe to discover "strange new worlds". IMHO, Trek V had that sense of exploration and adventure missing in the other films.

Don't get me wrong, I love all the Trek films EXCEPT for Trek 6 which I've never warmed up to. Trek V presented the heroic characters I remember from the TV show. In Trek 6, these heroic characters suddenly are just so damned grumpy. Everyone hates the Klingons, there are large clocks on the bridge (which were never there before) to remind everyone of the time and Spock mind-rapes his colleague because the crew needs information to save the day. That scene alone is so unpleasant to watch that I'd rather not watch the whole film just to avoid it.

Yes, there's much to dislike about Trek V as well. It's certainly not a great film but I think it's great Star Trek. Much of the humor doesn't work. Characters do incredibly embarrassing things (Uhura's fan dance and Scotty bumping his head don't do these characters any justice).

I know it's been done in fan edits but there's a great movie there despite the silliness that exists in the version released to theaters.

 

[HansVerhaaden]

I'll be glad to admit that of the original six Trek movies, Trek V is perhaps my second or third favorite.

There was something about Trek V that "felt" like I was watching the Trek of my youth. The movie felt like a lost episode, unlike any of the other films with the original cast.

All the other movies felt too self contained and didn't have that sense of venturing out into the universe to discover "strange new worlds". IMHO, Trek V had that sense of exploration and adventure missing in the other films.

Don't get me wrong, I love all the Trek films EXCEPT for Trek 6 which I've never warmed up to. Trek V presented the heroic characters I remember from the TV show. In Trek 6, these heroic characters suddenly are just so damned grumpy. Everyone hates the Klingons, there are large clocks on the bridge (which were never there before) to remind everyone of the time and Spock mind-rapes his colleague because the crew needs information to save the day. That scene alone is so unpleasant to watch that I'd rather not watch the whole film just to avoid it.

Yes, there's much to dislike about Trek V as well. It's certainly not a great film but I think it's great Star Trek. Much of the humor doesn't work. Characters do incredibly embarrassing things (Uhura's fan dance and Scotty bumping his head don't do these characters any justice).

I know it's been done in fan edits but there's a great movie there despite the silliness that exists in the version released to theaters.

Well done for coming forward. I thought I was going to be alone with this. Mr Unpopular. We Star Trek V lovers are here. It's just a matter of coaxing them from the woodwork. Showing them there is nothing to be frightened of.

 

[Greg Cox]

For what's it worth, nobody needs to "feel like a criminal" for liking or not liking a particular movie or series. There's no official party line where ranking Star Trek shows and movies are concerned.

Heck, every few months, somebody starts a "rank the Trek movies" thread--and the results are usually all over the map . . . .

 

[RAMA]

I just got the complete bluray set and made an attempt to watch it, and it's just awful. Possibly worse than I'd remembered.

 

[Aldo]

I love Star Trek V, I've said as much on these very forums many times before. I've even started threads discussing the merits of the film (as I feel it has several).

It's not that people like us are afraid to admit it, it's just that a lot of us have been around these boards a long time and pretty much said all that we feel we need to say about these films.