Spoilers The Flash - Season 4

[Snaploud]

FYI for Berlantiverse fans: Greg Berlanti's new romantic comedy (Love, Simon) is out this weekend. It's the first major studio film to star a gay teen protagonist, and the reviews are looking good. Rottentomatoes gives it 91% with critics, and 87% of the audience liked it. I have tickets to see it Sunday with my wife.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

I‘ve got a physics question.
When they killed the fire with the wave...
Wouldn‘t that have been devastating?
They said the fire was like sun hot or something.
If you pour water on something like that, wouldn‘t the water instantly turn into super hot gas and expand? Essentially exploding violently.

Instead it seemed to harmlessly just squish the fire without any reaction.

 

[Christopher]

^Yeah, there should've been a pretty big steam explosion and anyone in the area would've been badly scalded. It might've made more sense to bring in Killer Frost, since she can supposedly freeze things to "absolute zero."

But then, this show has never had anything remotely like plausible physics. Their plans for shutting down the nuclear explosion in "Enter Flashtime" were beyond ridiculous. This was a minor absurdity in comparison.

 

[Romulan_spy]

I‘ve got a physics question.
When they killed the fire with the wave...
Wouldn‘t that have been devastating?
They said the fire was like sun hot or something.
If you pour water on something like that, wouldn‘t the water instantly turn into super hot gas and expand? Essentially exploding violently.

Instead it seemed to harmlessly just squish the fire without any reaction.

Yes, you are probably right. There probably would have been an explosion. The physics is always quite ridiculous in this show.

 

[Commander Richard]

I kept thinking that Danny Trejo would make a great Sheriff Lobo and after a bit of googling, it looks like he thought so too.

 

[SAndrews10]

Not Jay and Silent Bob as security guards was priceless!

 

[Christopher]

Not Jay and Silent Bob as security guards was priceless!

Does this mean the Arrowverse and the View Askewniverse (I think that's what it's called) are one and the same?

Overall, the episode wasn't that great. It seems odd for Barry to be such a controlling, humorless guy all of a sudden, and to be so dense about recognizing that Ralph's joking was a defense mechanism. I mean, he's been working alongside Cisco Ramon for four years, and he suddenly forgets that someone can be a jokester and still be competent and effective at the same time?

But the stuff with Marlize and the Thinker was really chilling. Oh, what a nightmare. It's increasingly looking like Marlize will turn on Clifford and be key to his defeat.

 

[Dick Whitman]

If Cisco was not so popular I would think they were setting up his depature with the suggestion of him replacing Breacher. His expression seemed to show he at least liked the idea of working and being with Gyspsy full time.

 

[cylkoth]

Sigh...Guess Barry forgot he was a, erm, speedster, who could spin himself or just his arms and create a vortex to cushion his fall?

 

[Marc]

Sigh...Guess Barry forgot he was a, erm, speedster, who could spin himself or just his arms and create a vortex to cushion his fall?

Except he probably was too high and falling too fast and didn't think of it.

I'm also expecting that Ralph's improv will be the solution to defeating DeVoe with the cliche of beating logic and planning with something illogical.

 

[Dick Whitman]

I had a bigger issue with how limited Ralph attempt to reach Barry was in that scene. He only stretched his one arm? He should be able extended his full torso and legs too. It would have been implaublity to reach Barry at the full height. But it would have been more dramatic if Ralph put more of himself into trying to grab Barry and stopped when he could not go further.

 

[tomalak301]

The writing for Ralph is so repetitive right now. Every week its dealing with Ralph's "issues" and Barry refusing to understand him. Also Barry doesnt like humor yet he works with Cisco?

The stuff with Marlize was creepy and tragic and really effective. Also the final scene was great in a season 1 I miss these kind if cliffhangers kind of way.

Next week's better be great and a season defining episode.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

It's not that Barry doesn't like humour, it's that he doesn't like it when it gets in the way of results. Cisco makes jokes, then pulls out a device that saves the day as soon as the punchline is over. Ralph isn't up to that level yet where there's a balance of humour and results. At least to Barry. Which I've seen this exact situation more than once in my workplace, so I get that line of thinking.

 

[Christopher]

If Cisco was not so popular I would think they were setting up his depature with the suggestion of him replacing Breacher. His expression seemed to show he at least liked the idea of working and being with Gyspsy full time.

I hope he doesn't forget that Gypsy's job is to bring people in to be executed for breaking a rather arbitrary law. That's not something that a superhero like Vibe should be involved with, no matter how he feels about Gypsy.

It's not that Barry doesn't like humour, it's that he doesn't like it when it gets in the way of results.

That's exactly my problem. Barry just assumed that Ralph's humor would get in the way of results, without any legitimate reason for that assumption. Ralph's "improv" suggestions actually made a lot of sense, but Barry refused to listen.

 

[Marc]

The stuff with Marlize was creepy and tragic and really effective. Also the final scene was great in a season 1 I miss these kind if cliffhangers.

On one hand we feel sorry for her for what she's being put through (though at the moment the logic of it escapes me) but she's also been very willing to go along with DeVoe's plans that have caused death and destruction to innocent people.

 

[Christopher]

On one hand we feel sorry for her for what she's being put through (though at the moment the logic of it escapes me) but she's also been very willing to go along with DeVoe's plans that have caused death and destruction to innocent people.

It would hardly be the first time that a character with lots of evil deeds under their belt ended up making redemptive turn and helping to save the day at the end. See Darth Vader or Damien Darhk.

 

[tomalak301]

It's not that Barry doesn't like humour, it's that he doesn't like it when it gets in the way of results. Cisco makes jokes, then pulls out a device that saves the day as soon as the punchline is over. Ralph isn't up to that level yet where there's a balance of humour and results. At least to Barry. Which I've seen this exact situation more than once in my workplace, so I get that line of thinking.

Hasn't Ralph gotten some results since he came on board though? It feels like the character is stagnant and it's making Barry stagnant too. One episode has Ralph "learning" something or "Teaching" Barry why he is the way he is, and then the next episode it feels like we're back at square one. Ralph knows full well what the stakes are. He shouldn't have to change who he is because of it though and Barry should actually accept that. I worry the next episode we will be telling the same variation of the story rather than progressing forward.

 

[Romulan_spy]

The cliffhanger was great. Maybe Harry is pretending to be Thawne-Wells in order to get information from Gideon? The other possibility is that Thawne-Wells is back and secretly got back inside Star Labs.

 

[Christopher]

The cliffhanger was great. Maybe Harry is pretending to be Thawne-Wells in order to get information from Gideon? The other possibility is that Thawne-Wells is back and secretly got back inside Star Labs.

Either is possible. Maybe that's the reason they had Thawne randomly looking like Wells again in "Crisis" -- in order to set this up. Although that would be quite a twist to introduce so late in the season, which makes me think it's slightly more likely to be a fakeout.

 

[Romulan_spy]

Either is possible. Maybe that's the reason they had Thawne randomly looking like Wells again in "Crisis" -- in order to set this up. Although that would be quite a twist to introduce so late in the season, which makes me think it's slightly more likely to be a fakeout.

Personally, I think it is a fake out. Harry has seemed incredibly frustrated at the lack of progress against DeVoe. So, it makes sense to me that Harry is taking matters into his own hands, and impersonating Thawne-Wells to get info from Gideon. By pretending to be Thawne-Wells, he can trick Gideon into divulging information about the future that he plans to use to defeat DeVoe.