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I was wrong.Somehow I don't think it will.In another thread, I questioned if the show would even end with this:
To something other than a glurgy spiritual ending. Whether it's Mulder communing with ghosts, Neo becoming Jesus, or a motley collection of islanders discovering they accidentally created an entire universe to hook them up before they "move on," I don't like them, and I avoid them when I can sense their coming. I have nothing against fantasies that deal with the immortality of the soul, the afterlife, etc., but it takes work to make them meaningful. Smiles and hugs and soft focus doesn't cut it. You have to build some kind of consistent cosmology, or theology, or else there are no rules, and spiritual matters have the air of something pulled from the ass. JMHO.
Edit: Okay, so what *happened* at the end of the alt universe? Did the island universe souls move on, leaving a bunch of confused alt universe non-lostaways sitting in a church? Did they physically move on, leaving a bunch of confused family members wondering why all their relatives had simply disappeared? Are they going to commit suicide so they can follow Christian, like Heaven's Gate? Or did the alt universe simply stop existing once there were no more lostaways there to perceive it?
Is it, in fact, a universe, particles and energy spinning through spacetime with 13.7 billion years of history and existence independent of observers? Or is its form limited to its functions re: the lostaways? If it is a bona fide universe, why should it bother the alt universe nonlostaways that the island universe lostaways died? There is an infinite number of versions of me that have died in other universes, and if I suddenly acquired their memories I would probably suffer psychological trauma, but I wouldn't decide to follow my dead father into the light.
Or is everyone in the alt universe dead? If this is so, why did Christian say Jack & Co. created it? If this is not so, how are the walking dead differentiated from the living, since most of the alleged dead have consistent histories that explain why they are alive, and nothing in their history that would make them dead?
All the ghosts we saw before persisted in the universe, knew they were dead, and interacted with gifted living people. Why do the lostaways (and Desmond's wife, conveniently) get a pocket universe? Why was the going-away party limited to the lostaways, and not, say, Hugo's mother or the people the island survivors would have met and loved over the remaining decades of their lives?
I don't need every question answered. I don't care who built Taweret, who dug the smoke holes, or where the washer-dryer combo came from. But this finale raised all the wrong kinds of questions.
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What TV show was that type of comment just on a week or two ago? Supernatural? Or perhaps Lost?
For the same reason the only people at Tasha Yar's funeral and Sisko's wedding are the people listed in the opening credits.
It all comes down to the economies of making a tv show. I am perfectly fine with that - just don't tell me you're making some seminal piece of tv history when it's a hack job, to say the best.
What TV show was that type of comment just on a week or two ago? Supernatural? Or perhaps Lost?
I'm not sure what your question is asking but the
tells me you probably know that's from TOS.During my Lost dream filled night I've come to think the sideways universe idea was brilliant.
I'm hoping they do "After LOST" which follows Hurley and his comical sidekick Ben through their years protecting the Island. Multiple ghosts will guest star throughout the series.
I felt it was a great finale - it ended the main storylines, and, along with the last few episodes of s6, gave the characters a proper send off to the rest of their lives (those who left the island, those who died and those who remained).
for those who are still confused about the final explanation / flash sideways, here's my take:
1. There was never an "alt universe" or any "flash sideways". these glimpses were into the souls of the characters, after the end of the island scenes of the finale, as they were on their way to understanding before moving on to the afterlife
2. TPTB really told the truth - the characters were really alive during all the series *except* the "flash sideways", which take place at a different time for each character (some would be years and years in the future, like Hugi and Ben)
3. What Happened, Happened - the bomb never blew up in the s5 finale, all that's happened on the island with the smoke monster etc.
4. the underlying theme of the last few minutes - Live Together, Die Together - that was Jack's lesson, actually
5. We don't *need* all the answers - we just have to *think* about it, debate, and arrive at *our own* conclusions, as to what *everything* meant - and that's just fine with me!
for those who are still confused about the final explanation / flash sideways, here's my take:
1. There was never an "alt universe" or any "flash sideways". these glimpses were into the souls of the characters, after the end of the island scenes of the finale, as they were on their way to understanding before moving on to the afterlife
2. TPTB really told the truth - the characters were really alive during all the series *except* the "flash sideways", which take place at a different time for each character (some would be years and years in the future, like Hugi and Ben)
3. What Happened, Happened - the bomb never blew up in the s5 finale, all that's happened on the island with the smoke monster etc.
4. the underlying theme of the last few minutes - Live Together, Die Together - that was Jack's lesson, actually
5. We don't *need* all the answers - we just have to *think* about it, debate, and arrive at *our own* conclusions, as to what *everything* meant - and that's just fine with me!
Yes, this was one of the few things I liked about the finale. It showed that, in the end, the writers were actually able to maintain logical consistency with regard to the time travel rules. Which is weird, considering how much of the rest of the story ended up being a muddle.
True, true. But unfortunately, Jack never had a son then.
I think Jack's son, in the alt universe, was supposed to represent to him, his relationship with his own father - and that his father loved him, he just didn't know how to communicate it.
You'd be amazed at the things you realize about your parents when you have kids of your own.
What TV show was that type of comment just on a week or two ago? Supernatural? Or perhaps Lost?
I'm not sure what your question is asking but the
No, I heard something very similar uttered by a character recently, about not wanting to kill someone because making a god bleed is more effective.
Never mind. Mickey Rourke. Iron Man 2.
True, true. But unfortunately, Jack never had a son then.
I think Jack's son, in the alt universe, was supposed to represent to him, his relationship with his own father - and that his father loved him, he just didn't know how to communicate it.
You'd be amazed at the things you realize about your parents when you have kids of your own.
So very true. There are times when I am interacting with my childern and I catch myself acting like my father. I think back to when I was a kid, thinking all sorts of negative things about my parents. Only to realize, it was cause they loved me.
Trying to convey that knowledge to your childern is perhaps the hardest thing someone could ever do, and it may never be possible since they themselves are not ready to learn.
We saw during the crash that this plane was capable of reversing its engines (not uncommon for jets). Can't get much thrust that way, so usually they save fuel by being pushed back.
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