Thai Cave Rescue

[Miss Chicken]

The signs say that people should not enter the cave after 1st July. They entered on 23 June and the cave was relatively dry when they went in. They were caught in an unexpected flash flood.

Local teenagers have been using the cave to hangout in for years, probably decades. Like western kids hang out at the beach, skate rink, mall etc for these kids it is a cave.

Here is a local man talking about that fact.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-05/thailands-royal-cave-a-magnet-for-teen-adventurers/9946148

 

[Miss Chicken]

Fifth boy is out.

 

[Miss Chicken]

6th boy out.

I heard that boys who were bought out yesterday are in quarantine. They haven’t even seen their parents yet.

EDITED TO ADD - 8 boys out.


Also reason for the quarantine - the boys need to be cleared of leptospirosis, a potentially fatal disease that can be contracted by drinking contaminated water.

 

[Brolan]

This has been confusing. Last night there were reports the coach was one of the first four out. Now he seems to still be in the cave.

 

[rhubarbodendron]

According to Reuters there are 8 boys out, no adults. I think they'll rescue the coach last. He's needed as moral support for the remaining kids.

 

[Riker'sMailbox]

8 boys out, so far. I truly believe that this story will have a happy ending and everyone trapped will be rescued.

 

[DimesDan]

8 boys out, so far. I truly believe that this story will have a happy ending and everyone trapped will be rescued.

And yet the middle saw the death of someone who would be alive if the young people hadn't been taken down into the cave system.

 

[ALF]

And yet the middle saw the death of someone who would be alive if the young people hadn't been taken down into the cave system.

A highly trained rescuer died and that is extremely tragic. Some of us are going to choose to focus on the positive aspect of this story, we don't have a lot of great or encouraging developments going on right now internationally and this story could have easily resulted in 13 missing persons or 13 deaths.

I agree with your older post with about the coach being responsible and consequences should be explored but I think that sentiment is best reserved for when the ordeal is over and the cave is empty again.

When the story broke I was like, WTF is there a soccer team in a dangerous cave to begin with? I was coming here to post how and why they got into the cave - looks like Miss Chicken's got it at the top of this page. I found this story difficult to comprehend at first because the frequent news reports about the dangerous rescue weren't including the fact that the team had initially decided to explore a cave after practice and none of them came home.

 

[Brolan]

There have been other reports that they had explored this cave a number of times before. What I found odd that it took a number of hours to do this and no one told any of the families before they left.

 

[Riker'sMailbox]

And yet the middle saw the death of someone who would be alive if the young people hadn't been taken down into the cave system.

From my understanding, the cave is a popular spot for kids and people are allowed in it until 7/1. The fact that all of the parents are posting messages of support for the coach tells me what I need to know about blame here. I choose to focus on the positive, that 8 boys are now safe and that the world is united in seeing them all come out safely and that the international community is helping as they can.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

From the ESPN story:

Regarding Sunday's rescue, Narongsak said earlier Monday that the healthiest boys were removed first.

Isn't that kinda backwards? Wouldn't you rescue the ones that are worse off first?

 

[Miss Chicken]

They were originally planning to bring out the healthiest boys first to see how difficult it was for them. However when Dr Richard Harris, an expert cave diver, reached them he decided that the weakest boys’ condition meant that they needed to be bought out first. Though doctors had examined the boys before this, none of those doctors were experts in cave diving rescue like Dr Harris is. He realised that the conditions on Sunday were as good as they were going to get, as the water level was as low as it could get before the forecasted rain came. and to leave the weaker boys to a later day might make their rescue harder. It is possible that the official who said the first boys were the strongest was unaware that Dr Harris had changed the plan.

 

[Miss Chicken]

There have been other reports that they had explored this cave a number of times before. What I found odd that it took a number of hours to do this and no one told any of the families before they left.

It seems that one boy did tell his mother that the boys were going to the cave and she forbid him to go because she believes that an evil spirit lives in the cave.

When the boys failed to return home the parents phoned the coach and asked him to go to the cave to look so at least some of them had an idea where the young assistant coach and the boys were heading.

Interview with the boy who didn’t go

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[Ar-Pharazon]

They were originally planning to bring out the healthiest boys first to see how difficult it was for them. However when Dr Richard Harris, an expert cave diver, reached them he decided that the weakest boys’ condition meant that they needed to be bought out first. Though doctors had examined the boys before this, none of those doctors were experts in cave diving rescue like Dr Harris is. He realised that the conditions on Sunday were as good as they were going to get, as the water level was as low as it could get before the forecasted rain came. and to leave the weaker boys to a later day might make their rescue harder. It is possible that the official who said the first boys were the strongest was unaware that Dr Harris had changed the plan.

Well that's good, that they changed their minds. So many stories out there, I can't read them all.

 

[Avro Arrow]

Once all have been rescued there ought to be an rigorous investigation into what on earth caused them to enter during monsoon season a not secured cave system that is well known to frequently get flooded when it rains. As local people they must have known about this. If - as I suspect - it was their trainer's idea, he ought to be made to pay for the complete rescue, including an annuity to the dead diver's family and compensation for pain and suffering to the children and their families.

As mentioned elsewhere in the thread, the caves were open to the public when they entered. There should be an investigation, and if there was any negligence or anything, then the appropriate charges should be laid. But if not, I'm not sure I feel it's necessarily fair to hold someone financially liable for doing something that was perfectly legal and permissible, when unexpected and unforeseeable circumstances happened to get the best of them.

According to some articles I've read, it's entirely thanks to the coach that the boys are alive at all in order to be rescued now.

 

[alexa0ne]

Eight of the young soccer players have been successfully rescued out of the cave.

 

[Miss Chicken]

It looks like two of the boys might have pneumonia.

The youngest of the boys, the 11 year old, is still in the cave.

 

[Miss Chicken]

It looks like the 9th boy and 10th boy are out.

 

[Miss Chicken]

11th boy out, some sources are saying all the team are out.

 

[Nyotarules]

Just reported 2 left in the cave