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Taylor's ICARUS to cameo in RISE OF PLANET OF THE APES

Mutara Nebula 1967

Mutara Nebula 1967

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I received my issue of SCI/FI magazine yesterday. It was 99% wasteful but there was one good article about RISE OF THE APES and the gem of the article says that news reports will be shown on TV covering the launch of the ICARUS-Taylor's ship that will be thrown into the far future.

It's very exciting that they respect the orginal property enough to include this and gives me hope the movie will be good.

It does beg the question though that the Icarus was shown to have launched in 1972 in the orginal movie as opposed to 40 years later. It also sets up a situation like when HALLOWEEN H20 decannonized films 4, 5 and 6 only counting the original HALLOWEEN and HALLOWEEN 2. Basically this would strike APES 2-5 out of continuity.

Still I'm glad about the ICARUS and hope we get a good shot of it...maybe attached to solid rocket boosters like the shuttle lifting off on the mission to prove Dr. Hasslein's time travel theory.
 
Mutara Nebula 1967 said:
I received my issue of SCI/FI magazine yesterday. It was 99% wasteful but there was one good article about RISE OF THE APES and the gem of the article says that news reports will be shown on TV covering the launch of the ICARUS-Taylor's ship that will be thrown into the far future.

It's very exciting that they respect the orginal property enough to include this and gives me hope the movie will be good.

It does beg the question though that the Icarus was shown to have launched in 1972 in the orginal movie as opposed to 40 years later. It also sets up a situation like when HALLOWEEN H20 decannonized films 4, 5 and 6 only counting the original HALLOWEEN and HALLOWEEN 2. Basically this would strike APES 2-5 out of continuity.

Still I'm glad about the ICARUS and hope we get a good shot of it...maybe attached to solid rocket boosters like the shuttle lifting off on the mission to prove Dr. Hasslein's time travel theory.
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Many love the original Planet of the Apes and Abhor all the Sequels, so, continuing on from the first film, and ignoring 2-5 may be the best possible decision
 
Sindatur said:
Mutara Nebula 1967 said:
I received my issue of SCI/FI magazine yesterday. It was 99% wasteful but there was one good article about RISE OF THE APES and the gem of the article says that news reports will be shown on TV covering the launch of the ICARUS-Taylor's ship that will be thrown into the far future.

It's very exciting that they respect the orginal property enough to include this and gives me hope the movie will be good.

It does beg the question though that the Icarus was shown to have launched in 1972 in the orginal movie as opposed to 40 years later. It also sets up a situation like when HALLOWEEN H20 decannonized films 4, 5 and 6 only counting the original HALLOWEEN and HALLOWEEN 2. Basically this would strike APES 2-5 out of continuity.

Still I'm glad about the ICARUS and hope we get a good shot of it...maybe attached to solid rocket boosters like the shuttle lifting off on the mission to prove Dr. Hasslein's time travel theory.
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Many love the original Planet of the Apes and Abhor all the Sequels, so, continuing on from the first film, and ignoring 2-5 may be the best possible decision
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Bah. You're not a real POTA fan unless you like the rest. :cool:
 
Well, that partly addresses the question whether this was a clean reboot (or re-imagining, as the Burton film would have it) or if it had any vague link to the first film.

The point about the dates changed is fair, but I'd add the caveat that it's more like a homage to the original film than a concrete bit of data saying that film is part of this one's canon. I think we're getting something more like Superman Return's vague continuity than anything else.
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Bah. You're not a real POTA fan unless you like the rest. :cool:
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Then call me not a real POTA fan because I hate those things.
 
Well, technically ever POTA film was a "reboot" to some extent. None of the first four films was written with sequel possibilities in mind, so each sequel had to retcon elements of the previous film to make its existence possible. In the original film, the ship merely travelled through space for thousands of years with the crew in hibernation, a definitive one-way journey. The second film retconned it to a time warp so that a second ship could follow, but ended with the destruction of the world. The third film postulated that three apes had somehow managed to launch the second ship before Earth was destroyed, despite having no industrial capability to create the necessary rocket stages, gantry, fuel, etc., and follow the time warp back. It introduced the "plague of cats and dogs" backstory that led to the rise of the apes, but presented it as a process that took centuries. The fourth film retconned it into something that happened in a single generation, but only one ape, Caesar, could talk at that point. Yet in the fifth film, set only 20 years later, all the apes could talk.

So continuity between films has never been a feature of POTA. Every single one of them after the first has rewritten its history. There's no reason to expect anything different from this film.
 
I enjoyed most of the sequels, but none of them were the equals of the original film. There's no harm at all in taking the essence of the original film and constructing an entirely new cycle of stories from it, if that's what they do. Adherence to obscure dates that would render the entire affair anachronistic would be worthless.
 
nice. i hope they also ref Dr. Hasslein and Armando's traveling circus.
 
Christopher said:
Well, technically ever POTA film was a "reboot" to some extent. None of the first four films was written with sequel possibilities in mind,
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Not quite. Escape from the Planet of the Apes included the baby ape at the end as a nod to a possible sequel.

But it's true making a sequel to the original film seems an act of futility (the entire film is leading up to that punchline, what's the point of the story after that?) and Beneath the Planet of the Apes tries very, very hard to be the absolute last Apes film.

So continuity between films has never been a feature of POTA. Every single one of them after the first has rewritten its history. There's no reason to expect anything different from this film.
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There's a difference between films that retcon elements of previous movies - as the POTA sequels did - and films that are flat out reimaginings, as Burton's film was. It wasn't clear to me anyway that this movie wasn't just another straight up reboot of the franchise.
 
Christopher said:
Well, technically ever POTA film was a "reboot" to some extent. None of the first four films was written with sequel possibilities in mind, so each sequel had to retcon elements of the previous film to make its existence possible. In the original film, the ship merely travelled through space for thousands of years with the crew in hibernation, a definitive one-way journey. The second film retconned it to a time warp so that a second ship could follow, but ended with the destruction of the world. The third film postulated that three apes had somehow managed to launch the second ship before Earth was destroyed, despite having no industrial capability to create the necessary rocket stages, gantry, fuel, etc., and follow the time warp back. It introduced the "plague of cats and dogs" backstory that led to the rise of the apes, but presented it as a process that took centuries. The fourth film retconned it into something that happened in a single generation, but only one ape, Caesar, could talk at that point. Yet in the fifth film, set only 20 years later, all the apes could talk.

So continuity between films has never been a feature of POTA. Every single one of them after the first has rewritten its history. There's no reason to expect anything different from this film.
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A bit of a combination of retcon and time travel changing history. The history set up in the later movies rewrote the history of the future. Of course you've also pointed out many that were just plain changing the story. You kind of have to just make stuff up when the entire planet gets nuked. :lol:

And I don't in any way consider this movie related to the original. It's a reboot. The fact it may contain a couple of small elements from the first movie is just homage to me.
 
technobabble time travel technobabble Superboy pounding on reality technobabble yada yada

That should cover the inconsistencies and date problems.
 
Taylor's Icarus spaceship cameo would definitely be an asset to this new film and the possibilities of a sequel. I wonder if the spaceship will look like the original design?:vulcan:
 
I wonder if the crewmembers' names will be mentioned on the newscast, or just the ship? Either way, for a fan of the original movie, this is a cool tidbit that I had heard would be in the movie, but that was back when it was just a script.

I also wonder if this film will show the nuclear devastation that follows the ape rebellion, or if that is something that will occur between films.
 
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