Spoilers Supernatural Season 15--the final season

[theenglish]

I can't say it was a bad ending, but it didn't work for me. I don't find the idea of them dying and going to heaven as a happily ever after ending. As The Good Place or even Star Trek: Generations showed, Heaven isn't paradise. It's fake. It's like living in a holodeck. It's a fantastic vacation and a great reward for a hard life on Earth, but it's a pale shadow of the beauty that is real life. Sam and Dean losing out on a real life together without God messing with them is needlessly depressing, bleak, and cruel. An open-ending with Sam and Dean continuing the family business would have been a much better and happier ending.

Oh, I cried buckets tonight, don't get me wrong, but they depressed and angry tears. Not the depressed and satisfied tears of Lebanon or Swan Song.

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Still reading through the thread, but I thought that it worked very well as a nice Coda to the series. The point about Heaven is that the Winchesters fixed Heaven. It is what it is now supposed to be--not fake or unreal--the boys won and saved Heaven and Earth.

I really liked the low key nature of the episode.

As for Dean dying, they are still fighting monsters but they are no longer the heroes or villains of Chuck's story--they are just real people without "plot armor" and with the normal human amount of luck. One of them was bound to get injured or die sooner or later after last week's ending. I though it totally fit.

EDIT: I am really going to miss this series. It was so much fun. I remember being surprised it got renewed for a second season back in the day, and then thinking it was then end when they rescued their dad--and then thinking the fifth season would be the end--etc.

I am thinking about going way back to the beginning and watching the series all over again as I have never seen any of the episodes twice.

 

[Kelthaz]

]As for Dean dying, they are still fighting monsters but they are no longer the heroes or villains of Chuck's story--they are just real people without "plot armor" and with the normal human amount of luck. One of them was bound to get injured or die sooner or later after last week's ending. I though it totally fit.

Dean can't survive one week without plot armour, but Garth can survive years on the field by himself? Man, Dean must be one terrible hunter.

 

[theenglish]

Dean can't survive one week without plot armour, but Garth can survive years on the field by himself? Man, Dean must be one terrible hunter.

One week show time. For me the implication was that the episode began some time after the events of the previous episode.

 

[RJDiogenes]

There is another possibility... he lost all his powers, but he is not quite human. He might theoretically live a LOT longer than any previous human, or maybe not die at all unless it was a murder or something. Perhaps he can be the new Methuselah. (That was the 800 year old human, right?)

Yeah, that's true. He could still be alive when Sam died.

 

[Kelthaz]

One week show time. For me the implication was that the episode began some time after the events of the previous episode.

What are you basing that on?

 

[theenglish]

Or Wonder Girl on Titans.

What are you basing that on?

The montage at the start of the episode.

 

[SAndrews10]

The more I think about, if you HAD to go this route maybe give him some of a life on earth before heaven. Going into the episode I was guessing Jack did away with most if not all monsters leaving the brothers the chance to finally have a life. Maybe the both settle down, marry and start families and down the line something mundane does Dean in. High cholesterol from his eating habits or hit by a car, cancer or maybe later life they have to go on a hunt to kill one of the few monsters left behind and then he meets the nail in the wall.

He looked so forward to being free and at most got a few weeks.

 

[Kelthaz]

Going into the episode I was guessing Jack did away with most if not all monsters leaving the brothers the chance to finally have a life.
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I was thinking that at first too. The episode started off with Sam and Dean having trouble finding a hunt and when they finally do it's a bunch of vampires in masks. I thought the twist was going to be that the vampires were just normal human psychos and that there were no more monsters left in the world. I was still riding the happy ending train at that point

 

[Tuskin38]

It kind of reminds of that tv trope.

The core characters have finally earned some peace after a long battle with countless enemies. They go and do one random mission and that's the one that kills one of the team members for good.

Sort of like Doctor Who

You said this already lol

 

[Unimatrix Q]

Dean can't survive one week without plot armour, but Garth can survive years on the field by himself? Man, Dean must be one terrible hunter.

It's still some time until i'm able to watch this season, so i'm basing my reply on the spoilers that i've read.

About the Garth issue: Because Garth is one of the friends of the Winchesters i believe Chuck may have wanted to keep him around (at least for some time to later let him die in a tragic way). So he could have also been under the plot armor

 

[Snaploud]

I thought the twist was going to be that the vampires were just normal human psychos

Yeah, I also thought the vampires were just normal human psychos. The Winchesters went straight for the head chopping, though, so they either a) had more confirmation than they let on or b) they were fine with killing them even if they turned out to be human.

Of course, if they're fine with killing murderous angels, I don't see why killing murderous humans would be any different.

 

[Tuskin38]

Pretty sure they’ve done an episode or two with just normal human monsters.

 

[auntiehill]

Pretty sure they’ve done an episode or two with just normal human monsters.

Yes, they have:The Benders, Family Remains, The Usual Suspects, Thinman, Repo Man, etc.

 

[Tarek71]

It was fine. 15x19 would have been a good finale, if a little rushed. That would have been the open ended ending. But I am not one for riding off into the sunset endings. They had freed themselves from Chuck's lifelong story arc, but they would have gone on fighting the monsters if there were still monsters. They go back to work, without Chuck's Plot-Luck working in their favor, and Dean got killed.

The heaven bit showed how important the win over Chuck had been.

 

[theenglish]

It was fine. 15x19 would have been a good finale, if a little rushed. That would have been the open ended ending. But I am not one for riding off into the sunset endings. They had freed themselves from Chuck's lifelong story arc, but they would have gone on fighting the monsters if there were still monsters. They go back to work, without Chuck's Plot-Luck working in their favor, and Dean got killed.

The heaven bit showed how important the win over Chuck had been.

I completely agree---the final episode was an epilogue to the season--I watched it three times and decided that it was a great ending. But I also really liked the last episode of Seinfeld as well.

 

[auntiehill]

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[Tuskin38]

Heh, so I was looking at the cast list for 'Walker', the new show Jared is in. His father is played by Mitch Pilegg, who played Sam and Dean's Grandfather (Mary's Father), and his character's dead wife is played by his real wife, who was also in Supernatural.

 

[John Clark]

Heh, so I was looking at the cast list for 'Walker', the new show Jared is in. His father is played by Mitch Pilegg, who played Sam and Dean's Grandfather (Mary's Father), and his character's dead wife is played by his real wife, who was also in Supernatural.

At that rate, some time they have to drag Jensen in for a guest part

 

[auntiehill]

Season 15 bloopers!

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[Enterprise is Great]

I found an unboxing video for the complete series blu-ray:

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Nice swag for the YouTube Rs who do unboxing videos. those chocolates look good...especially tough to resist when you have diabetes. Ugh.