Here's tonight's discussion thread. It's supposed to be the best episode of the season so far if the buzz is to be believed. Let's hope so. :thumbsup: They're reairing "Nightshifter" from last season at 8/7c. It was a Ben Edlund episode, one of season two's best.
Supernatural 3x12 "Jus in Bello" SPOILERS
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Wow.
Wow.
That was amazing. Best episode of the season without a doubt. Even better than the Christmas episode. I'm sooooooo glad I didn't read any sides to spoil myself. So amazing. So sad, but Ruby had a point. Their "merciful" plan had a bigger body count; in other words, for the thoughtful among us, there's no way to win in war and be humane at the same time. Somebody who doesn't deserve to die always loses. A sad and horrific lesson to be sure.
I love it when the demons are actually portrayed as dangerous. I loved the tattoos the boys have had on their chests since Bobby gave them the anti possession charms. I loved Hendricksen.
I loved Lilith. BWA HA HA HA HA HA HAAAAAA!!!!
"I shot the sheriff"--Agent Hendricksen.
Bela is a worthless fucking cow. She has no purpose but to screw them over and turn them in, and she isn't even charming or funny. She's just there. It's time for her to die.
NOW.
Wow.
That was amazing. Best episode of the season without a doubt. Even better than the Christmas episode. I'm sooooooo glad I didn't read any sides to spoil myself. So amazing. So sad, but Ruby had a point. Their "merciful" plan had a bigger body count; in other words, for the thoughtful among us, there's no way to win in war and be humane at the same time. Somebody who doesn't deserve to die always loses. A sad and horrific lesson to be sure.
I love it when the demons are actually portrayed as dangerous. I loved the tattoos the boys have had on their chests since Bobby gave them the anti possession charms. I loved Hendricksen.
I loved Lilith. BWA HA HA HA HA HA HAAAAAA!!!!
"I shot the sheriff"--Agent Hendricksen.
Bela is a worthless fucking cow. She has no purpose but to screw them over and turn them in, and she isn't even charming or funny. She's just there. It's time for her to die.
NOW.
The hardcore at TWOP are un-fucking-believable. Most of the posters loved it, but the hardcore will not give up. 
....Once again the boys aren't allowed to win one, and Ruby gets the last word. If it had been a Bela episode, she would have had the last word. Kripke should just kill off both Sam and Dean and be done with it, since he and his staff are so in love with their new characters.......
The last scene with Ruby was FANTASTIC. The scene demonstrated the futility of it all. It demonstrated that war is bloody. War is hell. There's always horrific loss, but no.....Kripke is being mean to the boys and should write them out.
First they complain that the demons aren't dangerous enough, then when they are dangerous to the point that the boys would need help, well, that makes the boys look weak. 
....Once again the boys aren't allowed to win one, and Ruby gets the last word. If it had been a Bela episode, she would have had the last word. Kripke should just kill off both Sam and Dean and be done with it, since he and his staff are so in love with their new characters.......
The last scene with Ruby was FANTASTIC. The scene demonstrated the futility of it all. It demonstrated that war is bloody. War is hell. There's always horrific loss, but no.....Kripke is being mean to the boys and should write them out.
First they complain that the demons aren't dangerous enough, then when they are dangerous to the point that the boys would need help, well, that makes the boys look weak. 
But on the plus side, they do want Bela dead. I mean DEAD.
Yeah I read the first four pages and by far the comments are very positive, but their are a couple that absolutely Hate it. But hell, I already had to bitch out someone, who because Sam could recite the ritual by memory and Dean couldn't it's because Sera likes to make Dean stupid.
Yet, did that poster bitch when the last episode she wrote, Sam didn't know shit about cars (and thats the next closest thing to a family business for them, yeah know how Dad owned a garage). But that apparently doesn't make Sam stupid.
Idiots.
Yeah I read the first four pages and by far the comments are very positive, but their are a couple that absolutely Hate it. But hell, I already had to bitch out someone, who because Sam could recite the ritual by memory and Dean couldn't it's because Sera likes to make Dean stupid.
Yet, did that poster bitch when the last episode she wrote, Sam didn't know shit about cars (and thats the next closest thing to a family business for them, yeah know how Dad owned a garage). But that apparently doesn't make Sam stupid.
Idiots.
I love it that nice characters can actually die and stay dead on this show, unlike on Buffy.
Assault on Precinct 666! Pretty good episode, lots going on.
Count me in the Bela haters. Somehow I get the sense that it's supposed to be cute somehow as she screws the boys over but it's just sickening. It reminds me of a term I read in an IMDB review of Father Goose: "castration comedy". And everytime she gets involved someone ends up getting shot in the shoulder.
On the other hand Ruby has been a winner, I've liked her character and think she mixes well. Did they drop that roadhouse woman and her daughter? Haven't heard from them in a while.
I've been a bit bothered by the whole demon sticking them against the wall business. It just seems so powerful and dominating I don't know how they can reasonably fight back. Maybe they'll find some ward or something in the future?
Count me in the Bela haters. Somehow I get the sense that it's supposed to be cute somehow as she screws the boys over but it's just sickening. It reminds me of a term I read in an IMDB review of Father Goose: "castration comedy". And everytime she gets involved someone ends up getting shot in the shoulder.
On the other hand Ruby has been a winner, I've liked her character and think she mixes well. Did they drop that roadhouse woman and her daughter? Haven't heard from them in a while.
I've been a bit bothered by the whole demon sticking them against the wall business. It just seems so powerful and dominating I don't know how they can reasonably fight back. Maybe they'll find some ward or something in the future?
I was howling with laughter when I realized that Sam had made holy water out of the toilet bowl. Now that was genius.
I liked it. A lot. I actually wish they had the resources and time to have it be a two hour episode (it clearly had enough material).
I made a comment that I generally don't like humor episodes, but like the humor in the banter between the characters, and this one delivered in spades (though perhaps just a little too much, even if it was funny).
Nice to see that the boys really are hunting Bela, guns a blaze (itchy trigger fingers anyone).
And seriously, there is nothing that in my minds would ever let the guys not take her as a deadly serious threat (shouldn't have been since Gordon, but who am I).
Nice to see so much continuity, From Sam referencing his own possession, to the use of the charms, and them finally showing that they made them permanant (though clearly they should have put them a little more out of the way to jive with shots of the boys showing even a little skin.
Nice to see where the title plays into the episode as it references rules of combat and accountability.
Strong, but not stellar performances from the main cast. I really wanted to see the guys get a little more pissed about the accusation of their asshole father sexually assaulting them.
Glad to see the FBI guy dead. I really didn't want them leaving him alive and as a possible form of help from the law. Also nice that they are again a blank slate from the law (just be careful and don't leave prints to check).
Nice to hear some of the secrets that Sam has been keeping, wonder what else.
Always nice to see the brothers at odds over a course of action, and nice to see them playing the opposite sides, yet glad to see that Sam isn't blood thirsty but just being a realist (which plays into what he told Dean).
I keep saying this. This now moves up as my third favorite of the season. While it touches on so many elements and does them well. I think both Fresh Blood and A Very Supernatural Christmas (which had much smaller scaled and focused stories) hit their marks stronger.
And doesn't last weeks issue with Sam actually play better leading into this one (even though it wasn't intended that way).
Also nice to see a little more focus on the every man (or women), which we haven't got a lot of this season. Even if they all ended up Dead.
And for those who complain about Dean. He while not the focus of the hunt, was used exceptionally well in this episode.
I loved how they used Ruby in this episode. A way to push them into actions and to hold them accountable. And the actress did a good job (I find her enjoyable when she is really focused.
And I so want to be in the Impala to hear Dean grill Sam about not telling him the truth (even though the both do lie to each other, and fairly often). This has been really the first thing that Dean has caught Sam on that has more then just a personal effect on himself.
I made a comment that I generally don't like humor episodes, but like the humor in the banter between the characters, and this one delivered in spades (though perhaps just a little too much, even if it was funny).
Nice to see that the boys really are hunting Bela, guns a blaze (itchy trigger fingers anyone).
And seriously, there is nothing that in my minds would ever let the guys not take her as a deadly serious threat (shouldn't have been since Gordon, but who am I).
Nice to see so much continuity, From Sam referencing his own possession, to the use of the charms, and them finally showing that they made them permanant (though clearly they should have put them a little more out of the way to jive with shots of the boys showing even a little skin.
Nice to see where the title plays into the episode as it references rules of combat and accountability.
Strong, but not stellar performances from the main cast. I really wanted to see the guys get a little more pissed about the accusation of their asshole father sexually assaulting them.
Glad to see the FBI guy dead. I really didn't want them leaving him alive and as a possible form of help from the law. Also nice that they are again a blank slate from the law (just be careful and don't leave prints to check).
Nice to hear some of the secrets that Sam has been keeping, wonder what else.
Always nice to see the brothers at odds over a course of action, and nice to see them playing the opposite sides, yet glad to see that Sam isn't blood thirsty but just being a realist (which plays into what he told Dean).
I keep saying this. This now moves up as my third favorite of the season. While it touches on so many elements and does them well. I think both Fresh Blood and A Very Supernatural Christmas (which had much smaller scaled and focused stories) hit their marks stronger.
And doesn't last weeks issue with Sam actually play better leading into this one (even though it wasn't intended that way).
Also nice to see a little more focus on the every man (or women), which we haven't got a lot of this season. Even if they all ended up Dead.
And for those who complain about Dean. He while not the focus of the hunt, was used exceptionally well in this episode.
I loved how they used Ruby in this episode. A way to push them into actions and to hold them accountable. And the actress did a good job (I find her enjoyable when she is really focused.
And I so want to be in the Impala to hear Dean grill Sam about not telling him the truth (even though the both do lie to each other, and fairly often). This has been really the first thing that Dean has caught Sam on that has more then just a personal effect on himself.
That. Was. Awesome.
Best episode of the season, for me. I was glad to see Hendriksen come back, and the writing (as usual for Ms. Gamble) was top-notch.
For such a small-scale battle, it still felt incredibly epic. Some really great moments, both comedic and serious (I, too, loved the holy toilet water). I was upset that they killed off Hendriksen; I've liked him all along and really liked him here, and I was hoping the tiny hunter community had gotten a new ally to help them in their war.
As for Bela...you know, she doesn't really piss me off as much as she seems to piss so many others off. For a character they were forced to bring in, I think the writers have done a mostly good job integrating her into the story. I don't think she's stolen the Colt arbitrarily or just to screw the brothers over so she can make some more money. The way she said Dean knew nothing about her, and the look on her face when she said it, implies (to me) that there's more going on with her.
Best episode of the season, for me. I was glad to see Hendriksen come back, and the writing (as usual for Ms. Gamble) was top-notch.
For such a small-scale battle, it still felt incredibly epic. Some really great moments, both comedic and serious (I, too, loved the holy toilet water
). I was upset that they killed off Hendriksen; I've liked him all along and really liked him here, and I was hoping the tiny hunter community had gotten a new ally to help them in their war.As for Bela...you know, she doesn't really piss me off as much as she seems to piss so many others off. For a character they were forced to bring in, I think the writers have done a mostly good job integrating her into the story. I don't think she's stolen the Colt arbitrarily or just to screw the brothers over so she can make some more money. The way she said Dean knew nothing about her, and the look on her face when she said it, implies (to me) that there's more going on with her.
I got that feeling too. She may have been making a living at acquiring objects, but she may also have been searching for something to help her in a personal mission, probably related to the death of a family member she committed. Perhaps her situation isn't unlike Bobby's, but she's taken a different route at her revenge.
Sets the character up for redemption and a noble death at the end of the season.
I don't care if she goes away nobly. I just want her to go away.
I don't care about Bela's sob story. I don't want to see her on my screen. Lauren Cohan doesn't play the character well enough for me to care. They've got four episodes left, praise be, because the strike is over. I don't want them to waste time on such a useless, forced on them by Dawn Ostroff character. Every time I see her, I see the reason why Ellen wasn't made a semi regular character, because Dawn Ostroff didn't want a woman past 40. Bela can't even lick Ellen's boots.
To me, she's a little substitute Dawn Ostroff. Get her off my screen NOW. 
Don't give her some boring sob story like, God forbid, Lilith is possessing her little sister. Can you say "lame"? Maybe, if they'd cast a skilled actress...Ruby kicks ass. Bela needs to go. Now. Katie's cute. Bela's a snoot.
3.22 million viewers with a 1.3 demo last night. Second highest ratings total of the season, and that's with a repeat of SN as a leadin and going against an original Lost. Could it be any more obvious that SN is not leadin dependent on Smallville?
Of course, in its infinite wisdom the CW will build on this momentum by yanking SN reruns off the schedule to air Reaper reruns in its place until April. sigh. Yeah, that's really gonna work.
The SN rerun at 8 got 2.57 million with a 1.0 demo. It ran against an original American Idol.
Of course, in its infinite wisdom the CW will build on this momentum by yanking SN reruns off the schedule to air Reaper reruns in its place until April. sigh. Yeah, that's really gonna work.
The SN rerun at 8 got 2.57 million with a 1.0 demo. It ran against an original American Idol.
Thething is then what she is doing has to equal the bad she is doing to get any kind of redemption.
And in just a few sort episodes she has caused or set in motion a lot of things that have had huge effect.
And this doesn't touch any of her years work before we see her.
In her first appearance she hires people to steal a rabbits foot that she knows causes their death after changing hands. She doesn't warn them (yet she clearly knows because she makes sure to not touch it with skin). That causes one death. She also steals it from Sam & Dean, knowing both will die. In one episode that one person dead because of her, and two people who should be dead.
She sells out Sam & Dean (knowing the guy wants to kill them, and knowing that Gordon doesn't kill humans), even if she honestly felt her life was in mortal danger, the fact that she doesn't even warn them about it. That chain reaction caused the death of 5 people that we are aware of. Gordon, religious freak, car driver, cell phone store manager, and women to be used as bait.
Now without knowing what she wants teh colt for (it is posssible that she would use it to kill as many things as Sam & Dean), we can't judge.
But laying a trap, with the law puts Dean in the position of facing a death sentence (based on the locations and the special circumstances of many of the charges against him, and certainly life for Sam.
Not to mention setting the up the circumstances that lead to the deaths of over 10 people.
Thats just in the cases she's around the guys. How big of a blood bath as she caused over her whole career?
^ Not to mention she seem to revel in her actions.
at 9am I was so getting a happy this morning.
THe rerun did better then the average Smallville rerun it was also the 2nd most competitive 8pm Thursday this season, and the rerun did great.
The new episode, also improved over the closest year ago numbers (which was 3.03 million.
With finals we inched up a tiny bit for the new episode to 3.23 million and just ten thousand shy of the best its done all season.
This really helped show that we aren't dependent on Smallville. It also hints that Supernatural could be just as potent as smallville in the much easier (competition wise) 8pm slot.
I have long argued that SN should lead out a night, and this does help give credence to that viewpoint.
It also helps show how much better it is doing over Reaper and Gossip Girls with far, far less fan fare.
Yeah there is that. In each episode she has been in she shows a severe lack of empathy to others. SHe doesn't care, she actually seems to enjoy the hardships she places on others. Now compare that to Sam & Dean who have both made difficult choices that have hurt others. They always show concern over it.
No lie. You could see the hurt in their faces that Hendricksen, Nancy, and the deputy were killed by Lilith. Would Bela give it a second thought? No. Her having a sister or a friend possessed by Lilith will do nothing to mitigate her actions for me. You can even see a tiny bit of remorse in Ruby....she knows that she fucked up along the way those centuries ago and that's why she's in demon hell trying to stay out now.
Yet, we're supposed to get a kick out of Bela "showing up" the boys simply because she's a "hot chick" and they're men, and of course men need to be taken down a peg for no other reason than that they possess a Y chromosome.
It's why Bela doesn't work. The viewers know that Sam and Dean are the last two men on Earth who deserve to be taken down a peg after all they've been through. What utter crap. I don't want to see one of the last four episodes of the season taken up by that waste of boobs, Bela.
Yet, we're supposed to get a kick out of Bela "showing up" the boys simply because she's a "hot chick" and they're men, and of course men need to be taken down a peg for no other reason than that they possess a Y chromosome.
It's why Bela doesn't work. The viewers know that Sam and Dean are the last two men on Earth who deserve to be taken down a peg after all they've been through. What utter crap. I don't want to see one of the last four episodes of the season taken up by that waste of boobs, Bela.
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