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Spoilers Star Trek: Prodigy 1x15 - "Masquerade"

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That's the beauty of a true predestination paradox - it never starts. It simply exists, without beginning and without end.
I see no beauty in that though, causes and consequences is more my thing. Something that throws causality out of the window "because it just happens" seems more like a crutch in writing. It is so much more satisfying when something is a logical conclusion of things that happened before.
 
https://blog.trekcore.com/2022/11/star-trek-prodigy-review-masquerade/
Review from Trekcore of the episode. It contains a small interview with the showrunners, in which they state that the name of the Vau N'akat spy (originally to be Vezria) was changed, presumably to Asencia. So, as far as we know, that may be her real name.

The Hagemans seem to think that changing the name stopped us from finding out that the "plucky ensign" was a Vau N'akat in disguise. :devil:
 
Okona ran like the colors in the wash on the wrong temperature setting. I'm sure he'll be back but it was nice to see that he hasn't changed much since TNG.
I don't know about that. The takeaway about Okona in TNG was that people prejudged him, assuming a certain situation because of his image...and he was brave enough to allow them to believe that despite the consequences.
 
Gwyndala is the Progeny.
Her father is the Diviner.
I wonder if Acensia is also a the <something>?

Learning that Dal is a Human is a tad disappointing. So there’s no genuine Delta Quadrant species except maybe Gwyn part of the crew.

And this was the first show that seemed to be carried by a non-Human protagonist/captain. In tie-ins, that was first achieved with the Xenexian Captain Calhoun in the New Frontier novel series.
 
Learning that Dal is a Human is a tad disappointing. So there’s no genuine Delta Quadrant species except maybe Gwyn part of the crew.

And this was the first show that seemed to be carried by a non-Human protagonist/captain. In tie-ins, that was first achieved with the Xenexian Captain Calhoun in the New Frontier novel series.

Well, he wasn't a real Captain to begin with. I wonder though what will happen in season two, assuming that real Janeway will catch up on the kids and get the Protostar back. Judging by Kelvin standards, he might really be a Captain after three weeks of academy training, but I really hope it will turn out differently. I know this show wasn't conceived this way, but I'd love to see more Janeway!
 
Maybe Ascenia is just a random Female Vau N'Akat female.

Now if the Diviner wanted to "Reproduce", he could do it the old fashioned way.

Not require cloning.
The most striking thing about Ascencia-new-style is that her hair/tentacles/whatever looks rather different from what Gwyn and her father have, making her look more alien/sinister IMO. In addition, the ridges on her face are also very different. I don't think she is related to the Diviner. In other places, some see traces of Dal in her but I'm not seeing that?
 
The most striking thing about Ascencia-new-style is that her hair/tentacles/whatever looks rather different from what Gwyn and her father have, making her look more alien/sinister IMO. In addition, the ridges on her face are also very different. I don't think she is related to the Diviner. In other places, some see traces of Dal in her but I'm not seeing that?
That just makes it so that Ascencia looks like a completely different Vau N'Akat and has no familial relationship to the Diviner or Gwyn.

We may think she looks sinister. The Diviner might see her as beautiful / lovely.

Different species may have different values as to what is beautiful..
 
That just makes it so that Ascencia looks like a completely different Vau N'Akat and has no familial relationship to the Diviner or Gwyn.

We may think she looks sinister. The Diviner might see her as beautiful / lovely.

Different species may have different values as to what is beautiful..
Certainly. I was more thinking from a production standpoint, that they probably deliberately made it so that Asencia is less likely to look attractive for the audience. At least based on the first look from that one angle.
 
So the Vau N'Akat are a diverse species with plenty of variations in appearance. This is a big deal WHY, exactly? :confused:
There is speculation online that Ascencia may be a (timey wimey, older, alternative timeline,...) version of Gwyn, or a daughter of Gwyn and Dal, etc. Appearance does matter for that, as I don't see the likeness at this point.

I don't know about a "big deal", nor do we know much about the Vau N'akat and their diversity or lack of it yet, but I found the difference in appearance striking enough to comment on it.
 
Gwyndala is the Progeny.
Her father is the Diviner.
I wonder if Acensia is also a the <something>?

Learning that Dal is a Human is a tad disappointing. So there’s no genuine Delta Quadrant species except maybe Gwyn part of the crew.

And this was the first show that seemed to be carried by a non-Human protagonist/captain. In tie-ins, that was first achieved with the Xenexian Captain Calhoun in the New Frontier novel series.

From what I could tell of what Dr. Jago said, Dal was made by using human augment DNA as a baseline...however, it was also blended with 26 different species and he carries their recessive genes.
A recessive gene is a gene whose effects are masked in the presence of a dominant gene. .. but Dal's are not really 'masked' because he evidently has very different physiological features compared to a say even an augment human.

I don't think Dal could really be considered 'human'. Like Rok said, the procedure that made Dal is used to take existing aspects and make something new.

But I guess it would depend on how 'dominant' his human DNA is in relation to others.
 
There is speculation online that Ascencia may be a (timey wimey, older, alternative timeline,...) version of Gwyn, or a daughter of Gwyn and Dal, etc. Appearance does matter for that, as I don't see the likeness at this point.

I doubt she's Gwyn.

For one thing, Gwyn never travelled in time. She was created from the Diviner's DNA after he arrived in the past. Ascencia, OTOH, says she was sent back to find the Protostar.

And ( highly doubt Ascencia is Gwyn and Dal's daughter, either. She doesn'tseem to have any of the genetic enhancements Dal has...if she had, she'd certainly have exploited them.
 
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A recessive gene is a gene whose effects are masked in the presence of a dominant gene. .. but Dal's are not really 'masked' because he evidently has very different physiological features compared to a say even an augment human
Some recessive genes show up in this episode thanks to the implant, for example Vulcans’ pointy ears or tellarites’ fangs. He has those genes but they don’t manifest themselves normally.

The science behind this is sound, of course the idea that they could instantly show up thanks to some on-the-fly DNA rewriting seems far fetched to me, but I’m not a geneticist.
I don't think Dal could really be considered 'human'.
agreed: he has some human DNA, but also a lot of non human one.
 
Some recessive genes show up in this episode thanks to the implant, for example Vulcans’ pointy ears or tellarites’ fangs. He has those genes but they don’t manifest themselves normally.

The science behind this is sound, of course the idea that they could instantly show up thanks to some on-the-fly DNA rewriting seems far fetched to me, but I’m not a geneticist.
agreed: he has some human DNA, but also a lot of non human one.

Dr. Mohammed Noor, the genetics consultant for this episode, added the line of “rapid cell division” as something that could plausibly cause those morphogenic changes to occur within a day.
 
Anyone here having a problem with the Skip Intro feature? Seems like that it no longer properly skips the intro, it either skips too early in the middle of the opening, or about 30 seconds into the episode already. That plus the forward and rewind features with the preview thumbnails no longer is accurate ether. I'm on a Roku, so not sure if its just a problem on my end.

It's a problem for me as well and I have a Smart TV. I just stopped trying to skip because I can't go back either.
 
It's a problem for me as well and I have a Smart TV. I just stopped trying to skip because I can't go back either.
The Paramount+ app on Roku is a pain in the butt. The skip sucks and they seem to have forgotten the start over button on episodes, to the point that it's been skipping to some Transformers series as soon as I click into this latest episode because I watched it all the way through the ending credits once.
 
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