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Star Trek: Phase II (the original)

Korusan

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This is a topic that has always fascinated me. By now I'm sure many of you are aware of the existence of this ill-fated Trek series. I don't have much to say about it right yet but I have to say I was quite excited by the idea of Xon and Ilia as regulars. It's probably good that we dodged a bullet with Stephen Collins.

Anyways, here's some footage from the unmade 1970s series that's from a documentary.

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Thank God for no man-dresses (beyond the TNG pilot).

I have to say I was quite excited by the idea of Xon and Ilia as regulars. It's probably good that we dodged a bullet with Stephen Collins.
TNG was in large extent Phase 2 dusted off. Xon became Data, and Ilia became Troi (with a lot more hair). Decker became Riker, and I could have dodged that bullet as well. Kirk would have grown older and wiser akin to Picard. Nimoy was not scheduled to return. I think McCoy, Scotty, Uhura, Sulu and Chekov (?) were all on board.
 
I love the idea of a second five year mission. The characters were designed with the possibility that both Shatner and Kelly might not sign on for more than 13 episodes so they had Decker and Chapel in the wings to step up if that happened. The notion that Trek could continue without any of the original leads was probably quite fanciful. Most of us were skeptical when TNG started because of that as well.

I've read through the draft scripts and they seem fun enough but there is nothing special there IMO. Exactly what vibe the series would have carried is hard to say. The sets in TMP were awesome but something more akin to season one of TNG might have been more likely, which wasn't great. Battlestar Galactica, being made at the same time as Phase II, had a more professional vibe than TNG season one but it was very expensive to make and re-used special effects repeatedly.

Comparing Phase II to TNG, they did give each of the main characters a second string to their bow, with Chekov now in security, Uhura confirmed as a computer expert, and they planned to steer Ilia into a counselling role on top of her navigator role. It's possible that they would have had a more ensemble feel, like TNG with Shatner and Collins taking the lead. It's easy to cringe at the mention of Collins now, but he was an engaging lead in Tales of the Gold Monkey (a sort of mixture between Indiana Jones and Casablanca).

Rand was back in her role as Yeoman Rand, although the bible stated that there would also be others, so it's likely she would have appeared only occasionally and possibly in competition with some younger pretenders to Rand's throne. Perhaps Rand would have been reserved as a guest star for when the Yeoman had to step up as a more significant character, a bit like Marella in the early episodes of Airwolf.

I think leaving poor Chapel as second fiddle to McCoy would have been a shame. She needed an additional niche so that she could occasionally step out of his shadow. I think they should have enhanced her research credentials, perhaps focusing on alien tech and cybernetics, like Korby.

The fan-made recreations of Phase II script ideas were great fun so it's not as if it wouldn't have been groovy. I just wonder if storytelling techniques were good enough to make the most of it in the early eighties.

I'd love to see an animated second five year mission with modern storytelling techniques and a focus on Klingon politics and Orion pirates.
 
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This is a topic that has always fascinated me. By now I'm sure many of you are aware of the existence of this ill-fated Trek series. I don't have much to say about it right yet but I have to say I was quite excited by the idea of Xon and Ilia as regulars. It's probably good that we dodged a bullet with Stephen Collins.

Anyways, here's some footage from the unmade 1970s series that's from a documentary.

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I had no idea that much actual footage of Phase II existed... I had no idea they were still using so much from TOS, either. Definitely didn't know there were Xon and Ilia screen test footage still around. Wow..... didn't think I could still be surprised by any of this stuff.... the colored uniforms are sooo much better then TMP..... god, it is all so 70s......

love it.
 
I had no idea that much actual footage of Phase II existed... I had no idea they were still using so much from TOS, either. Definitely didn't know there were Xon and Ilia screen test footage still around. Wow..... didn't think I could still be surprised by any of this stuff.... the colored uniforms are sooo much better then TMP..... god, it is all so 70s......

love it.
I believe this footage was included as extras with the Star Trek: The Motion Picture - Director's Edition DVD.

Kor
 
This is a hunch, but the style of directing in Phase II is decidedly more 70s than TOS was, but obviously without the spectacle of TMP. It occupies a very unique niche for Trek, being not quite TOS nor its successor series, but cut from a totally different cloth than TAS.

I wonder if they will ever re-use the characters of Xon or Ilia in Discovery as the years go on. Though I like the new Saurian design, it has too much of a BEM look to it for my taste when compared to its TMP counterpart.
 
I also have always been interested in this aborted project and I wish all or at least some of the original cast had made it back to the small screen. What happened with the films was probably good for Shatner and Nimoy--more money but less time working like you have to on a weekly series.

Did Phase II propose to produce fewer episodes per season than the 60's show? Something makes me think that might have been the case. I guess fewer episodes but a better budget for effects and guest stars would be the rationale. Also, more time for Shatner and Nimoy to do other projects.

For me the perfect scenario would have been films and short seasons on TV as well. I am greedy and would have liked to have had it all where TOS is concerned. In that vein I could like a *Disco film after Season 2.

I mourn what we could have had onscreen with Phase II. We are also missing out on having a Phase II forum here where right now fans could be arguing about how Phase II is weak compared to TOS with bad continuity and suspect canon but is so much better than Next Generation or especially Star Trek Discovery.

*On second thought that is too much on that production at this time but I don't like the Kelvan films and would like to see the Disco crew instead. Maybe someday when the show winds down.
 
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Apparently he was into trans-meditation techniques too and runs his own classes on the subject!
JB
 
Collins would almost certainly not have played Decker on Star Trek II ("Phase" was dropped early one) since he was the one lead not cast for the TV show and cast by Wise for TMP.
He did go on to play the lead in a TV show, so 'almost certainly not' is perhaps too categorical a statement compared to 'may not' but are there any stories about who else they had in mind when they were still thinking about the TV show?
 
He did go on to play the lead in a TV show, so 'almost certainly not' is perhaps too categorical a statement compared to 'may not' but are there any stories about who else they had in mind when they were still thinking about the TV show?
Oh please. What are the odds that Gene Roddenberry would have picked the exact same guy that Wise did? "Almost certainly" is fairly accurate.
 
Oh please. What are the odds that Gene Roddenberry would have picked the exact same guy that Wise did? "Almost certainly" is fairly accurate.
Never tell me the odds. Once you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be true. That's why I wondered who was in the short list for Phase II. Did Wise pluck him out of the air or was his name already in the hat? Had Wise worked with him before? These are things I do not know...
 
I remember mentioning footage of Shatner and Robert Reed chatting while wearing what I was told were the costumes for the Phase II project on YouTube! But apparently it was taken from a film they were in together and the guy was having a laugh! :lol::guffaw:
JB
 
Apparently when fans got to hear about Xon at that time, they sent David Gautreaux, the actor who would have played him, a lot of hate mail and the like because he was going to be taking Spock's place! Gautreaux also expressed his dislike of the Trek fans who dissed him in the pages of StarLog back in the eighties!:vulcan:
JB
 
God, I hope not. There's already a silliness to how many TOS elements are in the show.
I dunno. I'll reserve judgment until after seeing season two. If they manage to steer things towards a more traditional Trek feel while keeping the fresh fans on board, I will be impressed. I wouldn't mind seeing other characters from TOS developed. Star Trek Continues developed Yeoman Smith into a bad ass in an entirely believable way.
 
That's why I wondered who was in the short list for Phase II. Did Wise pluck him out of the air or was his name already in the hat? Had Wise worked with him before? These are things I do not know...
I just pulled my copy of Star Trek Magazine from Dec. 2001, the TMP issue. It features an interview with Collins about the movie. The third paragraph starts: "In 1978, Stephen probably wouldn't have been interested in taking a regular role in a TV series. He was gathering a lot of attention and everyone agreed he was destined for a career in the movies."

Collins heard about the part from his agent and was convinced to go in to audition. Collins wasn't a Star Trek fan and wasn't particularly interested, but his agent convinced him that a part in the Trek movie couldn't possibly hurt him. If it was a hit, then he was in a hit movie and boosted his profile. If it flopped, no one would blame him. Collins also said that he thought the fact that he wasn't a Trek fan worked in his favor, because he wasn't as nervous as some of the other actors auditioning for the part. I'm sure the prospect of working with Robert Wise was also appealing.

Collins did do some TV jobs before Seventh Heaven, though: He heard about TMP while he was guest starring on Charlie's Angels. :)
 
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