Star Trek Fans & NY Yankee Fans (much in common)

[Tom Servo]

Wow, bold words from a fan of a wild-card team, with a broke-down slugger and nobody to back him up. Enjoy your crow this year, and here's hoping that the Angels or the Dodgers (and Manny) kick your asses and you have to take a wicked-long plane ride home.

Tons of Yankees and Yankee fans have won and seen more World Series than Boston EVER HAS! In fact, Yogi and Jeter have more rings than BoSux world series apperances in 100 years.

In fact, in just the past 25 years, I HAVE SEEN more World Series wins than Boston, lol.

Oh really, the Red Sox have 7 World Series wins, and in the past 25 years, the Yankees have won four. 4 is more then 7...wow. If you are gonna insult us, then please get you numbers right.

I love listening to you Yankee fans. They were great once, not any longer. They are an old and decaying team, the holdovers of a great young team in the late 90's, and now they can't stand that they have been passed by. Sorry, but now the saying holds true, the Yankee's suck. They are a team of aging superstars, hell they aren't even a team anymore, they are a group of
mercenaries who can't get it done. Have fun watching A Rod break a bunch of personal records for the next ten years, while the rest of the team won't do shit.

I won't eat crow this year, because I haven't predicted how the Sox will do. They may get swept out of the first round, they may win it all, but the point is they are at least there. Im sure Jeter (one of the Yankees I do respect, along with Mo Rivera and Mussina) will have fun golfing this winter.

Have fun looking up at the Sox, Rays, and even Toronto (if they ever get their shit together) for the next few years.

 

[elric428]

Forget the Yanks and the Sox. I'm waiting for Buck Bokai shortstop for the London Kings.

 

[Tom Servo]

As a native Bostonian, the Yankee's are the Borg of the baseball world...pure evil, a group of superstars, not a TEAM. Every day they lose is a day that makes me smile, and the fact that they thought they need a new stadium is an absolute joke. There was no reason for it other then the fact that they could not stand that the Mets were gonna get a new stadium, and most of the publicity for the next couple of years.

GO SOX! On to the post-season!

I know I've had this discussion, but as a guy who used to root for the BoSox, right now, I don't see much difference between the Red Sox and the Yankees (aside from the fact that Boston is better at winning).

Well I would compare the Sox now to the late 90's Yankees, who were great teams, who knew how to win.

I mean really:

Youkilis-Home Grown
Pedroia-Home Grown
Lowrie-Home Grown
Lugo-Free Agent(but he sucks)
Lowell-Got via Trade
Varitek-Traded to the Sox as a minor leaguer
Drew-Free Agent (And that is one contract that think is to large, but most teams have one, but yes thats a big contract)
Ellsbury- Home Grown
Coco- Trade
Bay- Manny trade, and they decreased payroll by doing it
Beckett-Trade
Lester-Home Grown
Dice-K-Yes, a big free agent, but not some record setting thing like the Santana or Zito deal.
Wakefield-Been here for freaking ten years
Byrd- Waiver wire deal
Kotsay-Waiver wire deal
Papelbon-Home Grown
Delcarmen- Home Grown
Masterson- Home Grown
Okajima- Free agent, who was even passed over by the Yankees before he was signed.

So those are the key players really, or the team, minus the subs. 8 Home Grown players, a few trades, only two real big free agents, and some trades.

And people forget. They do not have the second highest payroll anymore, they have the fourth far behind the Yankees, and behind the Mets and Tigers.

 

[22 Stars]

Oh right, I forgot about all the world series championships that the Sux had before the internal combustion engine, and two world wars, lol. We've still won more in my lifetime and yours, so get a grip. How quickly you forget. Please be humble, all teams have their ups and downs, yours just lasted a long, long, long, long time.

Yep, this year the Yankees won't be in the playoffs, and that's a shame. I like how you have 'respect' for some of the players. I respect all ballplayers, they move from team to team so often that it's childish to hold grudges. Johnny Damon has been a fun Yankee player for the past few years.

 

[22 Stars]

Forget the Yanks and the Sox. I'm waiting for Buck Bokai shortstop for the London Kings.

lol, I can't wait either. getting this back on Trek, even Kevas Fatjo had a Mickey Mantle card, didn't he? I guess the Ted Williams card wasn't as valuable since his head was thawed out sometime in the late 22nd Century and still hadn't won a world series

 

[Aragorn]

Childish? Are you the pot or the kettle?

I'm an equal opportunity Red Sox and Yankees hater, so maybe I don't know what it's like to build my life around a sports team and be so delusional think I'm part of them. When my favorite teams lose, it sucks, and then they win it's fun, but it has no bearing on my life.

 

[dave_R_treker]

I have never been so insulted in my life. I am a Met fan. I can't stand the Yankess. I am also a Trekkie.

 

[22 Stars]

Forget the Yanks and the Sox. I'm waiting for Buck Bokai shortstop for the London Kings.

Childish? Are you the pot or the kettle?

I'm an equal opportunity Red Sox and Yankees hater, so maybe I don't know what it's like to build my life around a sports team and be so delusional think I'm part of them. When my favorite teams lose, it sucks, and then they win it's fun, but it has no bearing on my life.

I hear ya, of course this whole 'argument' is childish, but I'm just sticking up for the team I root for. There are millions of sports fans around this world that 'live and die' if a team wins or loses, it is not logical (or mature), but it is often true

 

[Aragorn]

I would think the only "fans" who actually to live and die with their team are the soccer hooligans like to kill referees and beat the fans of opposing teams to a bloody pulp.

 

[LutherSloan]

I have to take offense with this thread. I am a loyal Florida Marlins fan, and I will always remember my team celebrating their World Series Championship in Yankee Stadium in 2003. I also don't like the Yankees.

 

[Tom Servo]

Oh right, I forgot about all the world series championships that the Sux had before the internal combustion engine, and two world wars, lol. We've still won more in my lifetime and yours, so get a grip. How quickly you forget. Please be humble, all teams have their ups and downs, yours just lasted a long, long, long, long time.

Yep, this year the Yankees won't be in the playoffs, and that's a shame. I like how you have 'respect' for some of the players. I respect all ballplayers, they move from team to team so often that it's childish to hold grudges. Johnny Damon has been a fun Yankee player for the past few years.

A Yankee fan telling a Sox fan to be humble?

Im sorry, but there are some Yankee's I don't respect, A-Rod, Joba Chamberlain, the former Yankee Gary Sheffield, I don't respect them. That is to say if I ever met them I wouldn't be rude to them or something, but I feel that some of their on and off field antics are deplorable.

And have fun with Damon, he was a good player with us, and that Grand Slam I will never forget. We have done fine without him.

And you are saying not to be childish. I see you are the one calling the Red Sox, the Red Sux, very adult.

But anyway, enough of the Red Sox/ Yankee battles:

Back to Trek.

 

[22 Stars]

lol you can take offense all you want. Congrats on winning in 2003. The Yankees had their 'world series moment' in 2003 dispatching the Sux with a great come back win and a magical homer from Aaron Bleeping Boone

I celebrated that homer in The Beantown Pub in the belly of the Boston beast, where I was for work, watching Sux fans up close take it in the nads. When that home run went out to left field, the Yankee fans celebrated and the beer flowed.

Ok Tom, back to Trek. I respect your fan loyalty and our mutual love of Star Trek.

 

[Tom Servo]

lol you can take offense all you want. Congrats on winning in 2003. The Yankees had their 'world series moment' in 2003 dispatching the Sux with a great come back win and a magical homer from Aaron Bleeping Boone

I celebrated that homer in The Beantown Pub in the belly of the Boston beast, where I was for work, watching Sux fans up close take it in the nads. When that home run went out to left field, the Yankee fans celebrated and the beer flowed.

Yep, and they went to the World Series and lost to the great Josh Beckett and the Florida Marlins.

The next the year the Yankees pulled off the greatest collapse in sports history. I watched, I laughed and I cried. It was worth the wait.

I would recommend a great book called "The Last Night of the Yankee Dynasty" by Buster Olney. It's a great read.

 

[Dale]

As a Dodgers and Tigers fan, I usually hate the Yankees. Next season I will hate them again... but today, hat off and head bowed out of respect for Yankee Stadium, its storied history and the legends enshrined there.

 

[Aragorn]

Does John Sterling sound like he'd be right at home broadcasting events for Nazi Germany or serial killers or child molesters?

"Terrorists win! Thhhheeeeee terrorists win! It's the a-bomb... for al-Qaeda. Good night, Israel."

 

[Red Ranger]

All the big market teams are hell-bent on winning. The Steinbrenners put a ton of money (as did the NY taxpayer and ticket buyer) back into the team and we will have a beautiful new stadium that reminds us of the classic pre-renovated stadium and that will be fun to see. As far as winning, of course the Yankees underperformed this year, but they have a history and tradition of winning. Boston has a tradition and history of losing, and losing a lot, and being famous for losing. That's always fun.

22 Stars:

Hey, fellow Yankee fan here, life-long, even though it's hard to root for them this year because of their lousy season. I guess we're having a taste of what Boston went through for 86 years, LOL! All I know is I'll be rooting for whoever Boston plays for the pennant.

Let me be clear: I'm not a huge fan of the city of Boston, let alone their overrated team. There was never a curse, just bad management. The long-time owner of the Red Sox, Tom Yawkey, was a redneck jackass. He refused to hire black ballplayers for the longest time. In fact, the Bosox were the last major league baseball team to hire black ballplayers after Jackie Robinson was hired from the old Negro League. That in and of itself explains Boston's long-time losing ways -- failure to flex with the times. Now that they're doling out more money, like the Yankees, is the only way they can win -- by imitating a real great team!

Another pathetic sign: Some years ago, when the Patriots won the Super Bowl for the first time in years, did the fans exult in that victory and chant for the Patriots? Nope, the rowdy, foolish fans started chanting, "Yankees suck!" over and over again. How pitiful, that sports fans from that area measure all their successes against how much they hate the Yankees. Pitiful!

Now, as for individual players, there are plenty of Yankees over the years I've disliked, even when they were contributing, like Roger Clemons and Randy Johnson. The Bosox players I most hated were Pedro Martinez (except when he said the Yankees were his Daddy!) and Manny Ramirez, two big troublemakers. Well, they're now the headaches of the Mets and Dodgers, respectively.

And one last thing I'd like to say to the Red Sox fans: Got rings? The Yankees have 26!

Red Ranger

 

[Red Ranger]

I have never been so insulted in my life. I am a Met fan. I can't stand the Yankess. I am also a Trekkie.

Dave: Better hope the Mets don't live up to their old nickname this year, My Entire Team Sucks (well, maybe just the bullpen!) and don't repeat their epic collapse of last year -- which, I have to admit, even I found heartbreaking, and I'm a big Yankees fan! I hope I can root for a NY team in the postseason, even if it is the Mets, so keep our fingers crossed and pray for the bullpen, pal! And tell you what, if the Mets win the pennant and go to the World Series, I'll wear a Mets ballcap and root for them! -- RR

 

[Tom Servo]

Nothing better then listening to Yankee's fans tell each other how great they are.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Your post makes my point. It was not a practical, or business decision, that the Yankees decided they needed a new stadium, it was an ego trip. The precious Yankee ego (the same one that some of their fans have thinking that the postseason is their birthright, NOT THIS YEAR!) caused the team to spend over 1 Billion dollars that did not need to be spent on a brand new stadium, while relocating out a perfectly usable, and even as a Sox fan I say this, incredibly historical location that is much a part of the Yankees as the team itself is.

Actually, it *was* a business decision. It's pure, unvarnished competition, is what it is. Ego might have entered into it at some point, but in the end, it's all about getting people in seats. And if the Mets get a new ballpark (which is long overdue, since Shea Stadium really kind of sucks), then the Yankees must get one too, since that's how you compete.

I would recommend a great book called "The Last Night of the Yankee Dynasty" by Buster Olney. It's a great read.

Someday, your dynasty will end as well. You can count on that. Nobody lives forever, and no team always wins.

And let me be clear, I have on occasion rooted for the Sox. It was last year in the ALCS, because they were playing the Indians (who had just beaten the Yankees in the division championship) and I found it difficult to suddenly turn around and root for the team I had just been rooting against. It was much easier for me to overlook some stupid fucking macho bullshit 'rivalry' that really doesn't mean anything in the larger scheme of things (hell, even Rudy Giuliani has been known to cheer for the Sox on occasion).

 

[Tom Servo]

Your post makes my point. It was not a practical, or business decision, that the Yankees decided they needed a new stadium, it was an ego trip. The precious Yankee ego (the same one that some of their fans have thinking that the postseason is their birthright, NOT THIS YEAR!) caused the team to spend over 1 Billion dollars that did not need to be spent on a brand new stadium, while relocating out a perfectly usable, and even as a Sox fan I say this, incredibly historical location that is much a part of the Yankees as the team itself is.

Actually, it *was* a business decision. It's pure, unvarnished competition, is what it is. Ego might have entered into it at some point, but in the end, it's all about getting people in seats. And if the Mets get a new ballpark (which is long overdue, since Shea Stadium really kind of sucks), then the Yankees must get one too, since that's how you compete.

I would recommend a great book called "The Last Night of the Yankee Dynasty" by Buster Olney. It's a great read.

Someday, your dynasty will end as well. You can count on that. Nobody lives forever, and no team always wins.

And let me be clear, I have on occasion rooted for the Sox. It was last year in the ALCS, because they were playing the Indians (who had just beaten the Yankees in the division championship) and I found it difficult to suddenly turn around and root for the team I had just been rooting against. It was much easier for me to overlook some stupid fucking macho bullshit 'rivalry' that really doesn't mean anything in the larger scheme of things (hell, even Rudy Giuliani has been known to cheer for the Sox on occasion).

How is it competition? Shea Stadium is not a great ballpark, it's a cookie cutter piece of crap, they needed a new stadium. The Yankees had a great stadium, with history and tradition, and would have been completely fine for many years. You think that if the Met's got a new park, and the Yankee's didn't, all of a sudden attendance would drop for the Yankees and they would loose money? No way, in any way shape or form. Who fills up Yankee stadium? Yankee's fans. It's not like they would all say, lets go to CitiField because it's brand new. They would still make money. It's still one of the largest, if not the largest capacity parks in the majors. It's not like they needed more seating.

The fact is the Yankee's did not need a new park. I honestly think that if the Mets were not getting a new park, the Yankees would be in Yankee stadium for years to come. The draw of Yankee Stadium is it's history and tradition, and that is now all lost I believe, just replaced with a copy.