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Spoilers ST Prodigy - StarShips & Technology Season 2 Discussion

David cgc

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A four-minute clip from the Prodigy season 2 premiere was released at STLV today. We get a look at the Doctor, the shuttle from the season 1 finale, and, the biggest news, the Voyager-A, both the exterior and a glimpse of a corridor. The ship is Lamarr-class (as in "Hedy").

The clip is available on StarTrek.com.

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I do have to say, there's a lot of Sovereign-class in the new Voyager. But I love the Sovereign, so I'm not complaining. It looks like it even has a more-or-less Sovereign-class Captain's Yacht.
 
I haven't/won't watch Prodigy, but the Voyager-A looks interesting, hopefully there will be some better full shots of it once the show releases. It kind of looks like Voyager with that armor from the last episode of the show permanently on, and with Sovereign style nacelles replacing its original ones.

Its weird how they've introduced the Voyager-A in Prodigy when we've already seen the Voyager-B in Picard, which means it probably can't have more then a 10-15 year lifespan (if what I read about Prodigy taking place in the 2380s is accurate). Just more evidence that Starfleet really doesn't make ships to last anymore :lol:
 
"Jim, the Enterprise is over 20 years old. We feel her time is over."

Why in the world would Starfleet value ships lasting if they can be replaced with technology as more members are integrated in to the Federation? A ship is a resource that can be replaced at any time. It's value is limited to that.
 
"Jim, the Enterprise is over 20 years old. We feel her time is over."

Why in the world would Starfleet value ships lasting if they can be replaced with technology as more members are integrated in to the Federation? A ship is a resource that can be replaced at any time. It's value is limited to that.

When that line was uttered, in universe the year was 2285, and the Enterprise NCC-1701 was launched in 2245, making it actually 40 years old. The Miranda and Excelsior Classes lasted at least 100 years, although that probably involved ships of the class being built over a long period of time and older ships being decommissioned. Using other specific ships as other examples (and staying to stuff that is in canon, even if some of it is from info on dedication plaques, etc), Sulu's Excelsior was in service from 2285-2320 (45 years), the USS Stargazer was in service from 2326 to 2355 (29 years), and the USS Leondegrance was in service from 2288 to 2336 (48 years). Some ships are obviously going to meet early ends just from various space events (ships named Enterprise have a bad habit of this), but its taken to ridiculous extremes in some of the newer shows.

Ships in Starfleet take literally years to build if they're the first or one of the first of their class (the galaxy class took about a decade, at least according to some sources), and even when everything is worked out and they have an "assembly line", for lack of a better term, we have no evidence that it doesn't take awhile to build a ship, with time probably varying depending on ship size, complexity and current resources. Earth lost Utopia Plantia shipyards too, with no evidence that it was rebuilt, which PIC seems to want to imply hurt ship availability, although admittedly the PIC writers seem to have forgotten that there are canonically many Federation shipyards, including another one literally orbiting Earth.

But ships obviously can't just be replaced at any time or considered that expendable. Losing 40ish ships at Wolf 359 screwed up at least a chunk of Starfleet's operations for awhile. The Dominion War certainly had Starfleet on the back foot trying to replace ships (and personnel). Even years after that we have things like the Titan-A using a bunch of parts from Riker's Titan, so replication of parts is either impossible or unfeasible for a bunch of components (if they were that easy to create then using older parts at all makes no sense), and we know the ships get built from the frame up because we've seen ships like that in shipyards a before so its not like they get replicated into existence, at least not actual starships (smaller things like shuttles could be a different matter). Plus PIC's era still uses ships like the Sovereign, Akira and steamrunner class, which even if the Akira and steamrunner were as new as the Sovereign in FC they would still be almost 30 years old by PIC Season 3, so some ships

The out of universe explanation for all of this is that the PIC producer/writer(s) just wanted to introduce a bunch of legacy ships while also keeping their legacy, so a bunch of inbetween vessels (Riker's Titan, the Voyager-A and Enterprise-F) got short life spans so that a shiny new version could be on the show. Which is fine, its easy to imagine those shops having very rough lives, but its still odd from an in universe perspective.
 
Janeway is rough on starships. The Voyager-A is likely going to be out for the rough missions for the next fifteen years. If the ship survives that long.
 
but its still odd from an in universe perspective.
I don't find it odd.

I'm not saying disposable but closer to "If we have to replace it fine." Yes, it takes time but acting like they would take the same attitude as we would towards ships is not a good starting point. To me, they build it, it gets destroyed, they replace it. As long as things are humming along appropriately (i.e. no war, no shipyard loss) then this attitude works. Then they panic when things go wrong.

Starfleet is very sensory driven and reactionary. I actually find their attitude in universe to be more consistent than out of universe which is "Let's make another starship to satiate our need for more starships."
 
I do have to say, there's a lot of Sovereign-class in the new Voyager. But I love the Sovereign, so I'm not complaining.
To be fair a lot of people thought the Sovereign class looked like Voyager.

Its weird how they've introduced the Voyager-A in Prodigy when we've already seen the Voyager-B in Picard, which means it probably can't have more then a 10-15 year lifespan (if what I read about Prodigy taking place in the 2380s is accurate). Just more evidence that Starfleet really doesn't make ships to last anymore :lol:
I'd question how old Voyager A actually was. It could have been around for a while before we see her on Prodigy.
 
For most of the ships we've seen over the years, a 20-30 year lifetime seems about average. Really the problem lies in TNG's low budget reuse of the three movie era models. Now we need convoluted explanations to explain three 100-year old starship designs, even though they're the ones that are outliers. It's too bad that TNG-R didn't apply the same logic as TOS-R and fix budget related items and insert more modern ships for the 1980s models.
 
To be fair a lot of people thought the Sovereign class looked like Voyager.

I don’t think the Sovereign class looks anything like the Intrepid class.

I'd question how old Voyager A actually was. It could have been around for a while before we see her on Prodigy.

True. For all we know it could have been built right after Voyager was originally lost in 2371.
 
I imagine the Voyager-A was built after the original came home. She wouldn't be a legacy ship without her impressive return from the Delta Quadrant. Hopefully she has most of the upgrades built in from her namesake.

The ship class is likely a post-Dominion War design. An improved science/exploration ship to supplant the Intrepid-class.
 
I like this ship, it makes sense for it to resemble the Sovereign, they're from the same period. I'm really looking forward to seeing Season 2, I hope it's as good as the first season
 
I can't wait to see more of her, but from the teaser video, it looks like a sloppy design.

That was my first thought as well. From what I’ve seen, the design is just kind of meh. But I’m willing to wait until season 2 eventually gets shown to form a better opinion of the ship.
 
I saw someone point out the lack of windows and odd hull color and paneling is pretty similar to the Batmobile armor from “Endgame,” so maybe that’s integrated into the design instead of being replicated around the ship as-needed.
 
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