Slavery

[Mach5]

Hm, putting Jolene in front of the green screen still makes little sense. Connor was facing a double, right? A double who was supposed to be edited out and replaced with Jolene... The fact is, the double would only make things more complicated. It would have been much easier and cheaper to only shoot Connor (a decent enough actor to fake surprise in front of thin air, Star Wars cast did stuff like that in all the prequels, they only had an AD tell them where to look, when to react etc).

 

[Middleman]

Trip: Wow, they really are green!

As I said a goofy look.

 

[JiNX-01]

The backsides don't really look all that similar to me, though. Not that it's a big deal or anything to me, but there is a definite difference. Maybe the two of them, both being married, weren't comfortable with the shot together like that since she would have had to be fully nude, as opposed to just topless (which could be covered with pasties or tape) in one of the earlier episodes.

They weren't both married at the time. Jolene was married (2003) and the ep aired in Feb. 2004.

Connor was married in May 2004.

I can't imagine being married was a hindrance for Jolene... she's married right now and she's still posing and acting in various stages of undress...

If you look at Jolene in the Crossing image above, her waist is smaller than that of the woman in the Harbinger scene. And unless JB is wearing a fanny shaper under those PJs... I don't believe that's her butt either.

 

[commodore64]

Oh really? I seem to remember a lot of complaining about a certain scene where the Captain's chest was was almost shown and then wasn't.

Not from me.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Who's the one who told us it was a body double? Was it Connor Trinneer or someone else?

 

[Disillusioned]

I think it was Connor Trinneer. My theory seems to be mostly shot, but since it obviously isn't Jolene Blalock in the shot, one or both of them must've been uncomfortable with some aspect of it. Maybe they initially tried doing the green-clad body-double with Jolene Blalock edited in afterward, but unless the image is distorted without really looking distorted, they must've later gotten someone else in makeup and a wig to stand in.

 

[T'Parm]

The first person who told us about it was Morpheus right here on the BBS, this was before the ep was shown Morpheus worked on the show. He mentioned something about Jolene having tatoos.

 

[Middleman]

He mentioned something about Jolene having tatoos.

Well, that would certainly explain quite a lot and the need for a green screen. If she had tattoos on her back or arms how could she do that scene? As we learned in STXI Vulcans don't have tattoos, Romulans do.

I was surprised to see her arm tattoos in the photos that Mach5 posted here some time ago. I just don't understand how someone who models, as often as she does, can do that to herself.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

The first person who told us about it was Morpheus right here on the BBS, this was before the ep was shown Morpheus worked on the show. He mentioned something about Jolene having tatoos.

OK, I thought it was Morpheus. Granted, he could have gotten things wrong, but I tend to trust him about everything he's said on the show (at least, as far as facts go).

 

[pookha]

It was established in TOS that orion women were sold as slaves. If theyd been shown otherwise, youd be whining about how off canon it was, just like a lot of people do with every other aspect of Ent.

Boo hoo, an alien race doesnt share your opinions. Trek never took the high road, but at least its alien cultures werent always just aspects of human cultures.

actually as tos goes in there is a feeling as the power and the influence of the federation increases that of the orions is on the way out.
look at babel where they had to resort to trickery in an attempt to weaken the federation.

how slavery was viewed during the tos era was very different from the laissez-faire of the tng era.

i dont know if you can look at rajiin seriously as far as slavery.
the whole thing was a set up on the planet though the end does bring up the potential that maybe rajiin was some type of servant to the reptillians.

 

[Hopeful Romantic]

Eh, the anti-slavery messages in ENT seemed pretty clear to me. Rajiin wasn't a slave herself; she was planted at the slave market by the Xindi, with the assignment of getting aboard Enterprise. It was never clear why they had power over her-- she might have been a willing agent, or they might have somehow coerced her into using her magic powers to help them.

As for "Bound," Archer tells Navaar that slavery has been outlawed on Earth for a long time. Plus, the reveal toward the end about the men being the slaves led me to assume that Orion women do exactly what they want, and are never in anyone's thrall.

 

[bluedana]

It didn't appear to me, either, that Rajiin was a slave. If she'd been working against her will, it wouldn't have taken too much to make Enterprise's "rescue" a reality. It was a ruse.

The Orion women are a classic Trojan Horse. Oooh, look, pretty gift for me! . . . Oh, crap. That they use sexuality to get what they want does not make them slaves. They are in control of themselves at all times. Well, except for that lady in TOS (Whom Gods Destroy?) - but she was crazy.

 

[Peter the Younger]

So if slavery, particularly sex slavery is so morally wrong, I wish ENT had actually got some balls and said so.

They did.

Yes, they made it very clear when Archer declared that the oppression of a class of sentient individuals -- based on gender -- was subject to relativism. If you're in Singapore, it's a bad thing. If you're the new BFF of an alien captain with access to Fantastic! Technology! it's "tough luck Chuck."

Probably forgot about that one because the cogenitor isn't sexy.

Heh, funny, I just brought this up in the General forum (and got the moral relativism rebuttal) then happened to click here next.