Sharks living inside of active volcanoe - 800 degrees

[Dryson]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/amazing-footage-sharks-swimming-boiling-155007793.html

If life can exist at these extreme temperatures on Earth then life will exist as such on planets in similar environments.

 

[PurpleBuddha]

That's cool.

If it goes off is it a Sharkanoe?

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Note that the animals aren't actually living in 800-degree water. They're just swimming around a volcano that could erupt at any moment. The article is clear that we don't know what happens when it actually does erupt. Do they swim away? Sit there and die? We don't know.

 

[scotpens]

Note that the animals aren't actually living in 800-degree water.

The article just states: "Volcanic vents such as these can release fluids above 800 degrees Fahrenheit." Liquid water can't even exist at that temperature. The highest temperature at which water can remain a liquid is 374°C (705°F) -- but it would have to be under a pressure of more than 3000 pounds per square inch.

 

[Trekker4747]

Note that the animals aren't actually living in 800-degree water.

The article just states: "Volcanic vents such as these can release fluids above 800 degrees Fahrenheit." Liquid water can't even exist at that temperature. The highest temperature at which water can remain a liquid is 374°C (705°F) -- but it would have to be under a pressure of more than 3000 pounds per square inch.

But why let science and facts get in the way of the truth?

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Note that the animals aren't actually living in 800-degree water.

The article just states: "Volcanic vents such as these can release fluids above 800 degrees Fahrenheit." Liquid water can't even exist at that temperature. The highest temperature at which water can remain a liquid is 374°C (705°F) -- but it would have to be under a pressure of more than 3000 pounds per square inch.

At an increase of about one atmosphere (≈14.7 psi) for every 10 meters (≈32.8 feet) of ocean depth, 3000 psi is the static pressure at a depth of 1.3 miles, give or take. Many hydrothermal vents are deeper, and the deepest known are over twice that deep.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_sea#Temperature:

Hydrothermal vents are the direct contrast with constant temperature. In these systems, the temperature of the water as it emerges from the "black smoker" chimneys may be as high as 400 °C (it is kept from boiling by the high hydrostatic pressure) while within a few meters it may be back down to 2 - 4 °C.[5]

[...]

5. ^ Nybakken, James W. Marine Biology: An Ecological Approach. Fifth Edition. Benjamin Cummings, 2001. p. 136 - 141.

More here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrothermal_vent#Physical_properties

 

[Dryson]

If water no longer exists at temperature of 374 c then in becomes a gas. Most likely the oxygen separating from the hydrogen.

Once the gas inside of the bubble cools again in reforms with the water around it.

 

[Silvercrest]

What do the sharks become?

 

[Gov Kodos]

What do the sharks become?

Pools of Minnesota fats due to the Gleason effect.

 

[Silvercrest]

I thought the Gleason effect was "Bang! Zoom!"

 

[Crazy Eddie]

What do the sharks become?

Velociraptors.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I'm surprised that no one has made the Sharkboy and Lavagirl connection yet.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Because I'm trying desperately to avoid remembering that that movie exists.

 

[Silvercrest]

Hey, jokes like this may justify its existence.

 

[Dryson]

If you want talk about TV shows go talk about them in another forum because are purposely trying to derail this thread because he cannot add any valued conversations to it.

In fact go back to watching Sci Fi because I was trying to have an intelligent conversation.

No one asked you for comments about what is discussed on Trek BBS Canton, Ohio. Go back to shooting up your heroine and leave people alone. You are not Starfleet just because you talk on the radio.

 

[BillJ]

If you want talk about TV shows go talk about them in another forum because are purposely trying to derail this thread because he cannot add any valued conversations to it.

In fact go back to watching Sci Fi because I was trying to have an intelligent conversation.

No one asked you for comments about what is discussed on Trek BBS Canton, Ohio. Go back to shooting up your heroine and leave people alone. You are not Starfleet just because you talk on the radio.

You okay, Dude? And I think you meant 'heroin'.

 

[Gov Kodos]

Note that the animals aren't actually living in 800-degree water. They're just swimming around a volcano that could erupt at any moment. The article is clear that we don't know what happens when it actually does erupt. Do they swim away? Sit there and die? We don't know.

Besides, why are they there. Hammerheads do like a tasty stingray now and again so maybe they followed the rays in there. Rays tend to eat smaller shellfish and shrimp so is the area supporting such? Another possibility is that the sharks and such don't spend much time there and use the water for cleaning the skin. The high acidity could be something the sharks swim in to clean themselves? Or, rather than that, they may just enjoy the elevated sea temperature from time to time?

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Hey, jokes like this may justify its existence.

DAMMIT!

If you want talk about TV shows go talk about them in another forum because are purposely trying to derail this thread because he cannot add any valued conversations to it.

In fact go back to watching Sci Fi because I was trying to have an intelligent conversation.

No one asked you for comments about what is discussed on Trek BBS Canton, Ohio. Go back to shooting up your heroine and leave people alone. You are not Starfleet just because you talk on the radio.

Note that the animals aren't actually living in 800-degree water. They're just swimming around a volcano that could erupt at any moment. The article is clear that we don't know what happens when it actually does erupt. Do they swim away? Sit there and die? We don't know.

Besides, why are they there. Hammerheads do like a tasty stingray now and again so maybe they followed the rays in there. Rays tend to eat smaller shellfish and shrimp so is the area supporting such? Another possibility is that the sharks and such don't spend much time there and use the water for cleaning the skin. The high acidity could be something the sharks swim in to clean themselves? Or, rather than that, they may just enjoy the elevated sea temperature from time to time?

Could be they smell something in the fluids being released from the volcano that attracts them. Not sure what that might be, but a shark's sense of smell is pretty sensitive and they might react to those odors differently than you'd expect.

 

[Gov Kodos]

Note that the animals aren't actually living in 800-degree water. They're just swimming around a volcano that could erupt at any moment. The article is clear that we don't know what happens when it actually does erupt. Do they swim away? Sit there and die? We don't know.

Besides, why are they there. Hammerheads do like a tasty stingray now and again so maybe they followed the rays in there. Rays tend to eat smaller shellfish and shrimp so is the area supporting such? Another possibility is that the sharks and such don't spend much time there and use the water for cleaning the skin. The high acidity could be something the sharks swim in to clean themselves? Or, rather than that, they may just enjoy the elevated sea temperature from time to time?

Could be they smell something in the fluids being released from the volcano that attracts them. Not sure what that might be, but a shark's sense of smell is pretty sensitive and they might react to those odors differently than you'd expect.

That is a possibility. Along those lines, noises produced by the volcano might be something that attracts them.

Going back to your idea about odors in the water. There was a study done by the University of Gothenberg which studied the effects of acidification on sharks. They noted that higher acidification did affect their swimming patterns. The sharks here may be unaware of how long they are there or be on the equivalent of a contact high.

While sharks exposed to current carbon dioxide levels had a nocturnal swimming pattern distinguished by many starts and stops, the investigators discovered that sharks exposed to high carbon dioxide levels had fewer but longer bouts of swimming, and swam to the surface more often.

http://www.insidescience.org/content/ocean-acidification-may-change-how-sharks-behave/2041

Along with that effect, a Georgia Tech study on acidification and shark eating habits found that sharks exposed to high CO2 environments showed a significant reduction in their desire to target food and tended to avoid the food scent.

Sharks from the high carbon dioxide pool spent less than 15 percent of their time in the water stream containing the food stimulus. These sharks avoided the odor plume even when it was on the side of the flume that the sharks’ naturally prefer.The food odor stream was pumped through bricks to make the plume flow better and to give the sharks a target to attack. Sharks treated under mid and high CO2 conditions also reduced their attack behavior.
“They significantly reduced their bumps and bites on the bricks compared to the control group,” Dixson said. “It’s like they’re uninterested in their food.”

http://www.news.gatech.edu/2014/09/09/sharks-acidic-waters-avoid-smell-food

These experiments were with different species of sharks, the eating study was done under specifically rigid conditions, but it seems worth considering that the Kavachi waters have altered the sharks patterns of behavior within what has been studied in the articles above. The higher acidification may have a pacification effect on the sharks coupled with a desire to stay in the area and keep swimming. Kind of shark catnip like your idea?

 

[scotpens]

. . . Another possibility is that the sharks and such don't spend much time there and use the water for cleaning the skin. The high acidity could be something the sharks swim in to clean themselves? Or, rather than that, they may just enjoy the elevated sea temperature from time to time?

Sharks love a good soak in a hot tub every now and then.