Series 5 'Bible' spoilers
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dude, you take Who WAY too seriously. Who's not supposed to be a great artistic endaevour. it's fun for all the family for 45 minutes on a saturday night.
rob the seasons of their dramatic integrity! HA!
rob the seasons of their dramatic integrity! HA!
obviously the storyline would need to be right, but im not against the return of the Time Lords, its not like the series is suddenly going to be him staying with his people if they ever did return.
the Doctor reminds me of Superman these days, along those lines, for the last survivor of a planet that was blown up, Superman seems to meet plenty of other Kyptrons (Supergirl, Zod etc)
the Doctor reminds me of Superman these days, along those lines, for the last survivor of a planet that was blown up, Superman seems to meet plenty of other Kyptrons (Supergirl, Zod etc)
Just because something is not meant to be appreciated on an intellectual level doesn't mean it's not possible to do so. Doctor Who is lighthearted all-ages entertainment, but it doesn't mean it's not carefully crafted and written. Nothing is beyond debate or analysis. Otherwise, what are we doing here?dude, you take Who WAY too seriously. Who's not supposed to be a great artistic endaevour. it's fun for all the family for 45 minutes on a saturday night.
rob the seasons of their dramatic integrity! HA!
i'm not saying it's not well written (plainly it is) i'm saying Sci's taking it WAY too seriously. like GCSE english literature seriously.
"Now, why do you suppose Mr Davies wrote this scene between Rose and the Doctor, class?"
"Cuz he wants to show the two of them snogging."
"no, i think if you read into the shakespearean overtones of the leitmotif blah blah blah yakkkity yakkity yak"
"Now, why do you suppose Mr Davies wrote this scene between Rose and the Doctor, class?"
"Cuz he wants to show the two of them snogging."
"no, i think if you read into the shakespearean overtones of the leitmotif blah blah blah yakkkity yakkity yak"
dude, you take Who WAY too seriously. Who's not supposed to be a great artistic endaevour. it's fun for all the family for 45 minutes on a saturday night.
rob the seasons of their dramatic integrity! HA!
Only the ignorant laugh at other people's opinions. Usually because they're limited and insecure in some fashion. Quit whining...
I thought it was one of the best ever Master sotries I have no problems with the ending in The Last Of The Time Lords.
Well, I'm only familiar with the Ainley Master other than Simm's and, characterisation/mental health aside, Simm's one story is much been than any of Ainley's.
The Ainley Master never actually does anything. He's like Sylar from Heroes - he gets half-way to getting something done and then gets thwarted before anything of any real consequence happens. Now you may well argue this is better than a reset button/deus ex machina or whatever overused term you want to apply to LOTLL (and it does invite most of them to be fair), but for me the fact Simm DID conquer the Earth, enslaved two entire races and outthought and outfought the Doctor at every turn and caused a whole lotta trouble in general is far better than anything Ainley did.
Then of course there's the fact that, as entertaining as Ainley's Master was, he was little more than a moustache-twirling villain. The man could out-do ANYONE at evil cackling!
The Ainley Master never actually does anything. He's like Sylar from Heroes - he gets half-way to getting something done and then gets thwarted before anything of any real consequence happens. Now you may well argue this is better than a reset button/deus ex machina or whatever overused term you want to apply to LOTLL (and it does invite most of them to be fair), but for me the fact Simm DID conquer the Earth, enslaved two entire races and outthought and outfought the Doctor at every turn and caused a whole lotta trouble in general is far better than anything Ainley did.
Then of course there's the fact that, as entertaining as Ainley's Master was, he was little more than a moustache-twirling villain. The man could out-do ANYONE at evil cackling!
Anthony Ainley's Master was a perfect foil for Davison's Doctor but I think after that they didn't know what to do with him, but I thought he did a good job in Planet Of Fire.
Ainley's master was mainly an imitation of Delgado's, most of the time IMO. Plus Delgado's was somewhat more smarter and charming than Delgado's, who was pretty much more pantomime.
Nobody's really said anything about Stewart possibly being the Monk. Interestingly, had he not already been the Master, I would've considered Jacobi, who can play both bumbling and maleovalent at the same time, which is pretty much what the Monk is. Stewart just seems too regal and stiff for the character.
If this is true, it should be noted that this is the *second* time Stewart has been considered for a WHO role, that of a time lord. I think he was either considered for Borusa or for Maxil in ARC OF INFINITY.
Nobody's really said anything about Stewart possibly being the Monk. Interestingly, had he not already been the Master, I would've considered Jacobi, who can play both bumbling and maleovalent at the same time, which is pretty much what the Monk is. Stewart just seems too regal and stiff for the character.
If this is true, it should be noted that this is the *second* time Stewart has been considered for a WHO role, that of a time lord. I think he was either considered for Borusa or for Maxil in ARC OF INFINITY.
What I would say there is that the thing I appreciate about Doctor Who is that it bounces between lighthearted fluff and genuine artistic accomplishment. It's a show where you can do "The Shakespeare Code," which is a fun romp whose merits I would evaluate on the basis of the conceits of a lighthearted, children-oriented adventure, and then do "Human Nature," a very dark, very serious, mostly action-less, character-driven piece that essentially deals with the nature of Edwardian society and the evils of militarism (the Headmaster and his school) whilst contrasting them with the virtues of the honorable soldiers (such as Tim).
Or consider how the series can go from "Partners in Crime," a mostly lighthearted adventure tale with a few snippets of depth, and then turn around and do "Turn Left," one of the darkest character pieces I've ever seen on TV. Or the way the show jumped from the existential angst of "Dalek" and "Father's Day" to the giddy romance of episodes like "The Idiot's Lantern" and "New Earth."
Again, the thing that I love about Doctor Who is that it does both -- and that even the fluff has an undercurrent of depth and mystery. Even in "The Shakespeare Code," they didn't completely abandon that undercurrent. "Why would a man hide his title in such despair?"
And if you're gonna try to tell me that an episode like "Human Nature" or "Father's Day" or "Turn Left" can't be examined on a very deep level, then I'd say you just weren't paying attention.
In any event, captcalhoun, I would point out that for someone who got so upset about a supposed "sense" of superiority that I was supposedly giving off, you're awfully comfortable quite literally mocking other peoples' opinions and questioning their intellectual validity -- indeed, questioning the right of my opinion to even exist. "You shouldn't be thinking that, because you shouldn't be analyzing the show to that extent" is essentially what you're saying. I find it far more rude than anything I ever did.
dude, you take Who WAY too seriously. Who's not supposed to be a great artistic endaevour. it's fun for all the family for 45 minutes on a saturday night.
rob the seasons of their dramatic integrity! HA!
Only the ignorant laugh at other people's opinions. Usually because they're limited and insecure in some fashion. Quit whining...
Thank you, sir.
Thank goodness! Thank you for pointing that out, too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjNKyoRudOQ
I have complete confidence in Stewart's ability to not be regal and stiff.
The best Ainley Master serial was Logopolis-- Christopher Bidmead once said that the problem with the Master was that he was just too nutty to take seriously as a villain, and so you had to make up for that by making his threats so huge! Logopolis certainly delivers on that scale.
Patrick Stewart was on Philip Segal's very very long list of possible actors for the Doctor in the TV movie-- and later on his very very long list of possible actors for the Master!
I agree with whichever poster said that Stephen Fry would be perfect for the part.
Any involvement with DW and Fry would make me SQUEE! like a guinea pig. The man's a national treasure.
Any involvement with DW and Fry would make me SQUEE! like a guinea pig. The man's a national treasure.
That would be interesting -- especially since I keep thinking that Hugh Laurie would make a great 11th Doctor.
Fry and Laurie as the Master and the Doctor!
There's a shitload of things that don't work in Death Comes to Time. Stephen Fry's renegade Time Lord, The Minister of Chance, is one of those things that does. He's very Doctorish in his outlook, if a bit more idealistic.Any involvement with DW and Fry would make me SQUEE! like a guinea pig. The man's a national treasure.
There was talk at the time that DCtT was going to lead into a Minister spin-off. I'm still waiting.
(The other thing that from DCtT I'd like to see picked up would be Antimony, the seventh Doctor's companion in the story. He was an interesting, engaging character, and what happens to him is fucking tragic.)
Death Comes to Time was a radio play that was done back in 2001, if I'm remembering correctly.
It was, at the time, a really big deal. Huge ratings.
Unfortunately, the story's a bit crap. And it's completely inconsistent with anything that's been established about the Time Lords. Or UNIT. Or even the way the seventh Doctor's era ends.
It was, at the time, a really big deal. Huge ratings.
Unfortunately, the story's a bit crap. And it's completely inconsistent with anything that's been established about the Time Lords. Or UNIT. Or even the way the seventh Doctor's era ends.