Um, excuse me, but have you met us fans?
The same fans who sent death threats over Spock dying? Said the only real Trek is with Kirk and Spock? Those fans?
Section 31 and the Enterprise-C
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The same fans who sent death threats over Spock dying? Said the only real Trek is with Kirk and Spock? Those fans?
Well, I complain about a TON of stuff, but that would shut ME up........
Just need Loki and the TVA to show up.
Then he and Georgiou can compare ruler notes.
well i'm talking about one constantly changing timeline, not a multiverse.
but i understand the reference.
i actually haven't watched Marvel since Endgame.
i have gotten to the point where if something has a satisfying conclusion, i just let it end there.
Good. I'd hate to waste a joke.
Reasonable. It's why I don't think about interconnected universes. There is no satisfaction there.
I love an interconnected universe when it is done right, because each part can help solidify and be foundational for other parts. But, there needs to be a plan. Not just random things that are loosely connected. You have to build to something bigger, not just.... co-exist.
I let marvel and DC die with Endgame and Crisis.
i've started doing that with TV, too - I stopped watching the Blindspot after its 2nd season, because i was so impressed with how they wrapped up the S1-S2 arc; i didn't need to go further.
I really wish I had stopped watching Elementary at S6 - infinitely better than what we got in S7.
I stopped watching the show Revenge at S3 - absolutely loved the ending, and couldn't imagine them not mucking up the show further in S4.
I wish Supernatural had ended with minor tweaking at S11. The only good that came after that was the scooby doo episode.
i no longer feel the need to force something to continue past its expiration point. i have yet to see the revival seasons of X files, but i have yet to find a continuation that feels honestly necessary - although I did love Picard S3.
Unfortunately that defines Star Trek.
Did the Empress like plays?
That would make Janeway in her 70s during VOY. Sorry, but no. The math just doesn't math. Kate Mulgrew was pretty clearly NOT in her 70s.
Garret is going to be Garret.
I assume they wanted to have at least one legacy character that we think of when we think of the Lost Era. That's the way it is. No sense in arguing about it. So, they likely ran through the list:
Harriman --> Either he's still Captain of the Enterprise-B and this story probably doesn't involve the Enterprise, or he's an Admiral and not in the thick of things. Plus, except for Georgiou, I think they want everyone to be young or at least young-ish.
Demora Sulu --> See above. Everything that applies to Harriman would apply to her. Even if she's on another ship.
Young Picard --> For one thing: he'd probably already be on the Stargazer at this point and what I said about the Enterprise applies to the Stargazer. I'm a not getting a "mission on a Federation Starship" vibe out of this story. I'm getting the exact opposite. For another thing: I don't think they're at the point where they're ready to re-cast Picard yet. It opens up a whole can of worms and it would be too distracting from everything else. Georgiou's the leading role.
Castillo --> Nothing against him, but he came across as pretty bland in "Yesterday's Enterprise". He was really just Garret's lieutenant and Yar's love interest. Other than that, he's just a generic standard Starfleet Officer who likely didn't come up through the S31 route and wouldn't be trusted with information that sensitive this early in his career. I'm sure they could've done more with Castillo but, without even doing anything else, they already have a better choice right in front of them.
Garret is the best choice. Especially if she's not on the Enterprise-C yet. Garret had more personality to her in "Yesterday's Enterprise" than Castillo did, has more experience, is probably already well on her way on the track of becoming a Captain, if she isn't there yet, and would be more likely to be trusted with sensitive Section 31 information. She had a certain toughness, brashness, and assertiveness to her that would be well-suited to making sure the Section 31 operatives stay in line.
So, I'm going to make a bold (not really) prediction and say: This story doesn't involve the Enterprise-C and won't show how she becomes Captain of it. Remember that this story would've set up a continuing series and they hope for the possibility to do more TV Movies. Garret wouldn't be made Captain of the Enterprise-C in the first adventure. So, we're not going to see it.
We'll see Garret in a different context, and we'll get to know her better in as much time as the Section 31 TV Movie allows.
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It's amazing how much my unserious comment riles people up.
Enough to respond to it apparently. I mean I'm sure they're not angrily shaking their fist or bringing their pitchforks and torches to town, but they feel the name to correct it even though it's clearly a post not meant to be taken seriously.
Star Trek fans. We will push our glasses up and give an "Actually..." at the drop of a pin.
It is a discussion board y'know.
I thought it was an ice cream social.It is a discussion board y'know.
Wouldn't mind them mentioning the Enterprise B or C. Wouldn't mind if they didn't either. Its essentially a nothingburger.
I think people seem to be hung up on "fan service " like it's something new or an allergy or something . Connections with previous works from within a fictional universe is something that has been around for decades dating back to narrative works and novels. . The only time I don't like it is if it actually hampers the narrative work. If it adds to it or is neutral to the immediate storyline, then I have ZERO problems with in-universe mentions or references. I think the complainers of this is way over blowing it.
I think people seem to be hung up on "fan service " like it's something new or an allergy or something . Connections with previous works from within a fictional universe is something that has been around for decades dating back to narrative works and novels. . The only time I don't like it is if it actually hampers the narrative work. If it adds to it or is neutral to the immediate storyline, then I have ZERO problems with in-universe mentions or references. I think the complainers of this is way over blowing it.
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Connections with purpose are not fan service.
Connections with no purpose or to reassure the fans that it's totally Trek everyone is fan service and painful.
I don't need reassurance as a fan. I'm not a child.
Connections with no purpose or to reassure the fans that it's totally Trek everyone is fan service and painful.
I don't need reassurance as a fan. I'm not a child.
To each their but it doesn't bother me . Strictly speaking almost every single episode of Star Trek has fan service that serves no purpose other than reminding or reinforcing what you watching is Star Trek. Example - background aliens we"ve seen before walking down the hallways in a Starfleet ship or on a planet that have zero relivence to the immediate storyline presented.
If your definition of "purpose " is in reference to the immediate story , then there's many many irelivent in universe references calling back previous Treks. Same thing with most other shared universe works of fiction. Even soap operas.
I strongly disagree that only if it serves the main story shall references be made to the past in- universes. Especially if it's like a group of Starfleet officers talking about previous Starfleet historical events. Not much strangler than soldiers today on the field talking about stories from world War 2 even if it has zero relevance to the mission they are doing together. People in real life do have random musings on previous connections that have little or no bearing to their tangible current work or personal life.
"Purpose " and what constitues it can be subjective .
This misses the point quite a lot.
Random reminders of being in the same universe is not fan service. Calling something out, "Like, see it's the Enterprise!" and it doesn't serve the story is fan service.
World building is not fan service. Name drops, or Admiral McCoy see fan service and reassurance that I do not desire.
Mileage will vary. But I'm not a fan who needs service and usually hate it.
