Except it’s gone up a point. We’ll see if it’ll go up or down from this point on.
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Except it’s gone up a point. We’ll see if it’ll go up or down from this point on.
Star Trek is a weird show to be a fan of if you're sensitive about humans (and non humans) who are different from you. I hope that the anger's about the uneven writing and premises in season 1, and not the fact that Black people exist, because that ship sailed almost a million years ago.
*insert Simpsons Old Man Yelling at Clouds gif here*
Upon further investigation, that crowd on YouTube has been raging over Star Trek, Star Wars, and Doctor Who. Most of these channels seem to be slamming the changes in all 3 legacy SF TV and film franchises. The unspoken fear that's not being voiced in plain terms is that somehow white men are being diminished and shunted aside from nerdy stuff that white men created... and displaced by loud and entitled women and people of color.
Given recent world history as well as who holds all the cards and keys on 2019 Earth, I think it's unfounded paranoia. It bears little resemblance to reality.
At this point, I'd take it with a grain of salt. I certainly don't plan on watching any more of those "fan critic" videos. After all, they may hate Disco, but they're still watching, and they're still talking about the show. So...
*insert Simpsons Old Man Yelling at Clouds gif here*
Upon further investigation, that crowd on YouTube has been raging over Star Trek, Star Wars, and Doctor Who. Most of these channels seem to be slamming the changes in all 3 legacy SF TV and film franchises. The unspoken fear that's not being voiced in plain terms is that somehow white men are being diminished and shunted aside from nerdy stuff that white men created... and displaced by loud and entitled women and people of color.
Given recent world history as well as who holds all the cards and keys on 2019 Earth, I think it's unfounded paranoia. It bears little resemblance to reality.
At this point, I'd take it with a grain of salt. I certainly don't plan on watching any more of those "fan critic" videos. After all, they may hate Disco, but they're still watching, and they're still talking about the show. So...
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but is DSC divisive? A handful of MAGA-hats are outraged because 'girls have cooties', but other than those weirdos the backlash and critique is more or less at the same level than it was with every iteration of BermanTrek
I've been here since 1999. The VOY Forum was horrible. I didn't post in the forum because I stopped watching by that point, but I was aware of the horror stories and saw some of it. Because of what happened in the VOY Forum, the ENT mods would later only give posters in the ENT Forum in an inch of rope. Sometimes a lot less. And it was still out of control! Flame Wars galore. Cancel ENT Petitions. Decanonize ENT Petitions. Insane, over-the-top Canonistas. It was nuts. Even though I didn't like the show, I wanted to put as much distance between myself and those whackos as I could. I did not want to be associated with those people. Mod turnover in the forum was high because they'd get burned out so fast (you wouldn't have gotten me to moderate that forum even if you put a gun to my head). And I think some of the posters went out of their way to try to wear those mods down. The three forums you had to avoid at the time, if you didn't have the stomach for it were: ENT, TNZ, and MA.
By comparison, the shit I hear about DSC in here gets annoying sometimes. But that's all. Occasionally, we have someone who's needlessly combative here or is trying to aggravate things there... but overall this is nothing.
By comparison, the shit I hear about DSC in here gets annoying sometimes. But that's all. Occasionally, we have someone who's needlessly combative here or is trying to aggravate things there... but overall this is nothing.
But if DSC was a great show, it wouldn't have such a problem with haters.
Currently the video has 2k likes, 1.4k dislikes, and 534k views. Or slightly better than a half of a percent of the viewers are liking or disliking the video. According to http://www.ipsyopenstudios.com/3-important-youtube-ratios/ if this ratio is not greater than 4% then it is not performing well. Also mentioned is the number of views a channel should be getting on its videos under normal circumstances is 14% of its subscriber count which in this case sould be around 11k views, not 534k views. Going off of that there may be something fishy going on.
It certainly was an interesting time around here back then.
Having lived though and survived that, I find most of the current DISCOVERY vitriol to be a tad on the boring side.
I disagree. Some people already decided what they thought about the show as soon as it was announced.
If more people watched the show for what it was instead of what of they thought it should be, then I'd agree with you. "But it's not like TOS or TNG!" is just a preference, not a valid criticism.
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People hate it because it's the new thing, the same thing happened with all the previous series.
but if it were a great show the fanbase would dwarf those initial group of people with the preconceptions about the show.
Most people I've talked to don't like or hate it. They just aren't interested.
Nope - ESPECIALLY in Star Trek fan circles. NO new/post TOS outing has been loved or lauded by fans out of the gate. NONE. Including STII:TWoK because of "They're KILLING Spock!" <--- which was leaked long before the film hit theaters. That pissed numerous people off no matter what other said).
Nope. A lot of haters are mindless drones, they listen to what the popular people tell them, not what they actually think.
I'm not interested in playing the Wait Game. You know the one. Where "STD is the Worst Star Trek Series Ever!" And then, 10 years from now, suddenly these same people rediscover it and say "DSC wasn't so bad! Especially compared to what they're putting out now!" Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt. I've seen it happen to people so many times with previous series. I'm not waiting around.
There's nothing gendered about the term "treasonous meltdown" in and of itself, but I'd have to see the context to know if that is purely what the person making the remark was objecting to or if there was more to it.
And what, precisely, is that modern variety of acceptable bigotry that you're dancing around but not willing to say? Using other examples I've encountered, it's always funny how the people making that claim always stop just short of outright saying "straight white men" because they know how ridiculous it sounds to suggest that straight white men are victims of widespread bigotry. Is that what you were suggesting there, or something else? Because that's who usually gets criticized in response to the loud and angry fans who object to having greater representation of women and LGBTQ people and people of color in leading roles that used to be traditionally mainly the domain of straight white males, some of whom consider more egalitarian casting decisions an existential threat for some reason.
This thread was about a YouTube video of the premiere episode and expended to discussing the commenters beneath said YouTube video. You came in acting all defensive with a completely unrelated example as if it was criticism of all critics and reviewers of Discovery.
Scrolling down the list of comments on the YouTube page, the most frequent comment seems to be "HAIL DOOMCOCK!" after the YouTube reviewer. There are hundreds of those. Is that what you're worried about being compared to? Then why get so defensive and assume people are talking about critics like you? Doomcock does hit the PC and SJW stuff pretty heavily, so is that what you're concerned about?
Then there are a bunch of shitposts about misandry, PC culture, SJWs, how white men are so put upon these days, etc. So pretty standard YouTube trash and reason one why you never read the comments section.
There are very few actual measured and detailed critiques of the episode itself, but when there are, you can assume that that wouldn't be included in what is being denounced here about YouTube comments.
This is a strawman. You introduced a completely unrelated to the discussion example that —regardless of what one thinks of its accuracy— is a detailed and measured review of the episode that doesn't complain about how the straight white man is a victim or SJWs or PC; just the merits of the episode's content. I've got no objections to that review or the reviewer whatsoever except perhaps on some of its details, but that's besides the point being made here. That has jack squat to do with YouTube commenters. No one was saying all critics of DSC are the same or as bad as YouTube commenters.
Nope.I've seen that same mentality among a lot of apologists for the series.
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/star_trek_discovery/s02 29% like
On IMDB they don't count all the ratings. The score they give is not a result of the raw data. They filter out the extreme ratings
If you look at the actual reviews, you'll see that the vast majority are extremely negative: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5171438/reviews?ref_=tt_ql_3
Any random sampling of those reviews you'll see the actual user reviews are much lower than 7.4.
Discovery also has a low user rating on MetaCritic (4.6 out of 10).
Absolutely.
And even if it wasn't getting the amount of subs/streams they want I think they would just cut the show's budget instead of cancelling it.
Cancelling the show would be terrible PR for CBSAA. They can't let this thing fail.
Self-selecting polls are pretty worthless, especially now when people make Facebook groups dedicated to review-bombing.
https://variety.com/2018/film/news/black-panther-rotten-tomatoes-facebook-1202685658/
https://variety.com/2018/film/news/black-panther-rotten-tomatoes-facebook-1202685658/
Once they have the next Trek show they can let it go to the delight of all...
Is this a serious question?
Angry people nowadays have discovered they can mobilize and bomb RT.
https://variety.com/2018/film/news/black-panther-rotten-tomatoes-facebook-1202685658/
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