Saladin Class Primary Hull

[James Wright]

The primary hull or saucer section of the Saladin class starship was the same as that of TOS Enterprise, correct?
The Enterprise has a total crew of 430 with crew quarters located in the saucer section, the "otiginal" Saladin had a crew of 200.
Say in the movie era(2 thru 6) there was an updated class of Saladin class starships with expanded crews of from 274 to 284, what would be lost in the redsign to accomadate the increased crew complement?

James

 

[Vance]

Not a whole lot. Remember that the primary hull (saucer) extends from 127m to 140m in diameter and loses some of the 'aero-curve' in the lower side of the saucer as well. It may not sound like a huge increase at first, but, believe me, there's a lot of space there opened up, plenty for 74 more crew if you're not adding a huge amount of other internals.

 

[Cary L. Brown]

Not a whole lot. Remember that the primary hull (saucer) extends from 127m to 140m in diameter and loses some of the 'aero-curve' in the lower side of the saucer as well. It may not sound like a huge increase at first, but, believe me, there's a lot of space there opened up, plenty for 74 more crew if you're not adding a huge amount of other internals.

Of course, it's not necessarily correct to just assume "put more crew on because we can."

A ship will carry exactly as many personnel as are required to do the job the ship is required to do, not "as many as can fit inside." So, the real question is "is there a reason you need 74 more crew?"

In my opinion... well... I'd tend to think that you'd actually need LESS crew to do the same job, going from TOS to TMP-era technology. However, I think you're talking about a lot more in-hull hardware (which is gonna consume more of that volume as a result), too. Bottom line... same role, less people should be required.

Agree or disagree?

 

[James Wright]

You know, on the blueprints of the Salaadin it's said that the ship carries a number of shuttle craft. Where are they stored when not in use? The blueprints don't show any kind of shuttlebay.
The shuttlebay would have to be located in the saucer section, wouldn't it?


James

 

[James Wright]

Ok, after reading your post Cary L. Brown, I should have said a new class similar in appearance to the Saladin and Hermes classes of starships.

James

 

[Vance]

There's a lot of thoughts about that.

I personally don't have full shuttles on the lollipops, instead keeping workbees on hand near the gangway access. ADB has a full shuttlebay in the lower dome, forward (which I have drawn up and will repost tommorow). Others made it part of the aft primary hull, near the impulse engine, etc...

For the only official part, FJ doesn't have any shuttles listed for the lollipops. Personally I reserve them for larger capital ships.

 

[Timo]

Perhaps when Starfleet feels it needs shuttlecraft and big sensor dishes and other survey-dedicated stuff on its heavy destroyers, it adds a large dorsal pod on them, and we get this? Such gear would only be necessary in a survey or observation role, thereby ending the ship's career as a destroyer and calling for an added "O" prefix letter in the registry...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Forbin]

Well, everyone from Thomas Models to Jackill has a vertical shuttle bay on top of the TMP era destroyers' saucers.

Portside here:
http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/destroyer_jenghiz.jpg

 

[MarianLH]

There's a fan comic set aboard a Saladin that shows two shuttlebay doors on the underside of the saucer, roughly where the dockports are on the TMP Enterprise. If you devote the front half-ring of decks 8 and 9 to it, there's room for a two-storey shuttlebay there...barely. Perhaps those rings on the underside denote a plug-in module similar to the bridge?

EDIT: link to the comic. The best shots are on pages 12 and 20 of episode 1, issue 2.


Marian

 

[Unicron]

Jackill has a dorsal saucer elevator on a number of his designs which do not incorporate the larger type of shuttlebay seen on the Constitution design. It makes sense to me that they'd have a smaller number of shuttles, but would have them.

 

[Praetor]

Well, everyone from Thomas Models to Jackill has a vertical shuttle bay on top of the TMP era destroyers' saucers.

Portside here:
http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/destroyer_jenghiz.jpg

I've always wondered: why there?

 

[MarianLH]

I don't think it's a good location, myself. It's right over the deepest part of the concavity on the underside of the saucer. I don't think there's enough height for a shuttlebay.


Marian

 

[Praetor]

That was what I was thinking too. And it seems to just be at a random angle off-axis. It feels... off-balance. And Trek ships are almost always so symmetrical.

 

[Wingsley]

I'm not fan of the single-nacele design, but Starscape did a great job with his Starship Diligent, which he refers to as a "TOS Era Corvette". Note the landing pads for multiple shuttlescraft on the topside of the saucer's outer rim. I think that's very clever, and makes more sense than ENT's "bombay doors" on the underside of the NX-01.

 

[James Wright]

Would shuttle pods work with the Jackill designs?

James

 

[Vance]

Would shuttle pods work with the Jackill designs?

The travel pods? Depends on which. They'll all be able to link up behind the bridge, of course... the Jenghiz wouldn't have the airlocks on the neck, but the Anubis does.

Now, where the pods are stored otherwise is a good question. I put a pair of them in the gangway.

 

[Starscape]

I'm not fan of the single-nacele design, but Starscape did a great job with his Starship Diligent, which he refers to as a "TOS Era Corvette". Note the landing pads for multiple shuttlescraft on the topside of the saucer's outer rim. I think that's very clever, and makes more sense than ENT's "bombay doors" on the underside of the NX-01.

Thanks, Wingsley!!

Here's a better pic of the model with some shuttle action.





Oh and yeah, I changed the name... again.

 

[James Wright]

Shuttle pods, like those on the NX-01 or even the shuttle pods carried by the Enterprise-D!
I'm thinking a travel pod can't travel at warp, am I mistaken?


James

 

[Nimitz CO]

You know, on the blueprints of the Salaadin it's said that the ship carries a number of shuttle craft. Where are they stored when not in use? The blueprints don't show any kind of shuttlebay.
The shuttlebay would have to be located in the saucer section, wouldn't it?


James

If this has already been mentioned, please forgive me. As for the shuttlebays and hangers of the Saladin Class Starships, you can find them here http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/uss-saladin-destroyer-scout.php Look on sheet 2 for the outer hull hanger bay doors then look at sheet 9 for the location inside the ship. I hope that this helps out a little bit.

 

[James Wright]

Found it, thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

James